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  •  If only (4+ / 0-)
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    If only firefighters had some kind of protective clothing to let them work in high-temperature areas. It would increase their effectiveness so much.

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    by Dogs are fuzzy on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:55:06 PM PST

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    •  Similar situations were booby-trapped (4+ / 0-)
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      to kill responders.

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      by jeff in nyc on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 10:15:15 PM PST

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    •  Not a firefighter, are you? (17+ / 0-)

      When a structure is what we call "fully involved" - that is, the whole thing's on fire - we are very, very, very unlikely to go in. We have to have extremely good reason to believe there's someone alive in there.

      Even then, it's still an open question. The probability of saving a life has to be weight against the probability of losing a firefighter. Particulars of the building are evaluated. Some things pretty much eliminate all chances of firefighters entering a fully-involved structure:

      - Evidence of structural compromise;
      - Presence of explosives or oxygen tanks.

      We've got both in this situation. The police were 'peeling the walls off' before the fire started, so there's a whole lot of structural compromise. And we know there was definitely a large quantity of live ammunition, and it's likely that there were other explosives.

      Firefighting gear is great, but it has limits. You can get burned through it at high enough temperatures. You can easily be scalded through it. You can be cut through it, and then badly burned through the resulting hole. You can be crushed through it. You can be trapped in it long enough to run out of air. All of these are serious dangers that fire departments have to consider each time they think about ordering firefighters into a burning structure. Recovering evidence for an investigation isn't a good enough reason to make that call.

      "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

      by kyril on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 04:10:35 AM PST

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