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  •  Could this be offensive? (2+ / 0-)
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    paradise50, BlueJessamine

    I'm 5th or so generation born and raised in Oklahoma, so I've got some American Indian ancestors (it's kind of a rule if you were born there).  But our high school name was the Chieftains, which I think is pretty cool.  Our symbol was this badass Indian with a full feather dress and tomohawk.  For us, it was out of respect and reverence that we used that as our symbol...our town was named after a Creek Indian Chief.  Yes, he looked like an American Indian, not a caricature like those awful Cleveland logos, but no one ever brought it up to me as being racist, and I'll bet I've known more Indians than 99% of the USA.  "Redskins" is messed up, I agree, but I've heard some complaints about the KC Chiefs also, which I don't find offensive at all.

    •  I think the idea is stereotyping in general (4+ / 0-)

      Assuming that sports team names based on Native Americans is supposed to represent some trait associated with them - even if the trait is perceived as positive - it's just the idea of stereotyping any group that is problematic.

      To the extent that it's aimed at "acknowledging" Native Americans, how about some better education of non-Native people (so that they don't think sport team names is the way to go), increased representation in the media and government, etc.  

    •  I am going to assume that your team... (5+ / 0-)

      ...was the Sapulpa Chieftains, James Sapulpa being a Creek from Alabama who was the first settler in the area, having settled there because he, like other Indians east of the Mississippi, was "removed" by force to what later became Oklahoma. He was not a "chief."

      The Chieftains logo is a faux Plains Indian who has zero to do with the Creeks.

      All use of Indian imagery and names without permission of the tribes being named is racist appropriation. When the depictions are some Western movie version of what Indians are supposed to look like and how they all supposedly dress, the crime is exacerbated.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 03:26:28 PM PST

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      •  Are you Native American? (0+ / 0-)

        Is it wrong that we believed the founder of our small town was a chief, and we revered his memory in this way?  I would ask his family before making any assumptions, as you have.

        •  I'm a tribally enrolled Seminole... (5+ / 0-)

          ...What I am trying to say here is that it's pretty hard to revere somebody's memory if you (the generic you, not the personal you) don't really know anything about him. Likewise, you don't revere a tribe by depicting it in a way that doesn't relate to its actual culture. We Indians are not all the same, but you wouldn't know that from the majority of "Indian" team mascots.

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 04:18:26 PM PST

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          •  Sorry - meant to reply earlier (1+ / 0-)
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            Meteor Blades

            I see where you are coming from, and you are absolutely entitled to be offended by these mascots, regardless if they are depicted as warriors or caricatures.  I have no right to have an opinion about what should or shouldn't be offensive to another race, religion, or ethnicity.  I heard it best on Jim Rome's sports talk show...he said no one would ever stand up and defend Washington's mascot if they were the "Blackskins."  

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