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  •  The argument to own an assault rifle (8+ / 0-)

    "because 2nd Amendment" seems pretty shallow in the face of that graphic. I have asked on numerous occasions what an assault rifle is for & the answer I get is usually a mix of fun at the range and it's my right to own one. Not good enough.
    Rachel Maddow did a most excellent summary w/Chris Hayes of the why surrounding Wayne LaPierre's increasingly crazy rants & how it is all geared toward the small pocket of folks who own many, many guns & are willing to buy more. The gun manufacturers use fear based marketing techniques to sell more guns to the usual suspects and Wayne is trying to capitalize & reinforce that message.  
    Thanks Greg - as I said before you are in a unique position as a Newtown resident & pediatrician, with a powerful voice and a platform to send the message. Thanks for including the awards ceremony - I don't know how those family members held it together.
    Rachel link:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/...
    4:00 minute mark, but the whole segment is good.

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    by hulibow on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 06:56:16 AM PST

    •  Agreed (2+ / 0-)
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      "Just because" is a stupid reason to own any firearm. Every firearm should have a specific reason to own it. If it doesn't, it's little better than an expensive, dangerous magic charm.

      That said, I think the real reason that this conversation, about why we own guns, is not being had, is because, in reality, nobody on the anti-gun side wants to hear it. If I talk about self-defense then I'm a coward without a dick. If I talk about hunting then I'm cruel to animals and without a dick. If I talk about target shooting then I'm engaging in Rambo fantasies and without a dick. So why bother with that conversation when the most perfectly adequate answer to the anti-gun crowd is "fuck you, Second Amendment?"

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      by maxomai on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 07:28:18 AM PST

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      •  Well you aren't hearing that talk from me (1+ / 0-)
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        No reason to be disrespectful on either side of this issue - we all have points and questions and opinions. Too bad some have to belittle others.

        Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up. A. A. Milne

        by hulibow on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 08:10:26 AM PST

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      •  If you keep ranting and repeating that (3+ / 0-)
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        Often enough, you might succeed in convincing me those suggestions have merit, although the only people that seem to be repeating those NRA fear-mogering talking points seem to be people like yourself.

        What about my Daughter's future?

        by koNko on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 08:15:03 AM PST

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      •  like I said, this whole "debate" isn't about guns (2+ / 0-)
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        It's about one side yelling "You can't tell me what to do !!!!" and the other side saying "oh yes we can !!!"

        Which is it ALWAYS ALWAYS devolves into a shouting match over "SECOND AMENDMENT so FUCK YOU !!!!!!!!!"

        Thanks for illustrating that so clearly.

        PS-- the Second Amendment is no more absolute than the other twenty-six amendments are.  Sorry about that.  (shrug)

    •  My preference is not to rely on graphics (2+ / 0-)
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      for public policy.

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 07:43:15 AM PST

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    •  You include the police in that, right? (0+ / 0-)

      The graphic says the alternae uses for an assault rifle besides murder is nothing.  So why do the cops still have them?  So they can murder innocent civilians and shoot up cars with 50 bullets like the LAPD?

      Let me be very blunt.  If you want to stop gun manufacturers from making assault rifles, then you need to ban them from EVERYONE, including the police.  Everytime I see someone here say the police get to keep assault rifles, I know they are not serious about gun control.

      The LAPD proved that the only use for assault police rifles is to try and assassinate US citizens in the street.  If you accept that, you have to accept Newton as well.

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