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  •  I can pay a living wage... (0+ / 0-)

    ...if I hire expensive, skilled workers. Read Option #1.

    I just can't pay a living wage to unskilled workers.

    •  You renovate houses? (5+ / 0-)

      Then you should only need one "unskilled" person on the jobsite. A laborer. Even laborers need a few skills though, so really, there's no place for an "unskilled" person on your job.
      You complain that you train people and then they leave? Of course they do, since you apparently don't pay any sort of skilled labor wage. There's an old saying - "You get what you pay for."

      The money I lose training people who will never pay off for me will make my business unprofitable. I will be forced to stop fixing up houses.
      I've been in the building trades since the mid-1980s. I've worked both in and outside the union. Everyone I've ever met who had your business model didn't stay in business long.
      Maybe you should hire some union guys, they are trained.

      Everybody got to elevate from the norm....

      by Icicle68 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 12:09:20 PM PST

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    •  Then you need skilled workers. (3+ / 0-)

      Unskilled workers need to either get training (in construction, that's not exactly considerable in most cases and is within just about everyone's grasp if they are physically capable, as unskilled workers would need to be to do it anyway) or do jobs that don't require specific skills, like flipping burgers, etc, then.

      If you CAN hire skilled workers and pay them acceptable amounts for their level of skill, then that is a better business model anyway.

      Most construction companies I've seen that work (my dad and grandfather are both contractors and I've worked for contractors, both residential and commercial, though only in college as side jobs doing their books and hiring and such) have a mix of skilled, certified and unskilled, training workers (apprentices, etc). A guy off the street can become an apprentice fairly easily and gain skills and move up within the same business, usually.

      •  Fine. (0+ / 0-)

        Raise the minimum wage.

        I will no longer hire unskilled kids from bad neighborhoods.

        Instead I will hire pro renovators.

        You just killed the only job opportunity those kids had.


        •  Then we need better education in (0+ / 0-)

          those bad neighborhoods so they have the chance to learn skills. What makes these kids you speak of so unemployable? You haven't really said what they lack.

          Though I know (and have taught in Title 1 schools) plenty of kids from bad neighborhoods who can and do get minimum wage jobs that won't be replaced by skilled labor or go away - the service industry is where you'll see the most increases and no one is going to do away with jobs there for "skilled" labor and pay 3x as much.

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