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  •  Most of those small businesses are full of shit (5+ / 0-)

    Because if the minimum wage was increased and all wages from the bottom up rose along with them, those small businesses would have more business.  More business because people would have more money to spend means more hours for part time worker and/or more workers.  It would mean those small businesses would grow and make more profit which would enrich those small business owners and maybe they could expand to make more money which would mean more jobs and a healthier economy which would in turn mean more business for them.

    None of them would want to eliminate the minimum wage except for the fucking stupid ones.  If the wages were lowered and we continue down the spiral towards a low wage country nobody but a select few rich people will be able to afford to do business with those small business owners.  It's very unlikely that Charles Koch will be frequenting some podunk business in south bumblefuck Kentucky which means those stupid fucks will be OUT of business.

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 05:25:46 AM PST

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    •  before the 2007 crash de facto minimum (1+ / 0-)
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      here was already $9.  There was no one who would work for less and that created a demand for workers.  On our Main Street, I would guess since 2007 there has been a 25% loss of small businesses

      •  Do you think the Main Street businesses' (1+ / 0-)
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        failing are a result of the $9 minimum wage?

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 05:59:30 AM PST

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        •  I did not say that or at least don't think I said (3+ / 0-)
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          that; in general, support staff should be about 12%-15% of your total expenses with total staff costs running no higher than 23%.  If you assume a minimum wage of $7.25, a de facto salary of $9 is an increase of $1.75 or about 19% increase which should represent roughly 1.65% of your revenues.  While some vendors operate on a 3% margin, if your revenue stream is so depleted that 1.65% change can put you out of business, you probably are going to tank and probably due to other cost factors

          •  I ran a business (4+ / 0-)
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            and my payroll and benefits was NEVER more than 20% of total gross income.  I kept losses down under 3% and made a profit of over 20% a year.  Usually had about a staff of 10-12 people of which a good half of them were full time and made significantly higher than minimum wage and I carried a few part timers who were mostly 18 or under and would work 20 or so hours on nights and weekends.  They made the minimum wage, but in CT our minimum wages are significantly higher than the federal minimum.  The way I was able to do it was by increasing sales.  I took the business over from someone who was losing money and was getting robbed left and right by her employees.  I fired the employees, hired new ones I trained myself, kept close tabs of my inventory, worked the customers for sales and voila! the sales doubled and profits soared even with higher wages.  I was willing to pay a bit more for good employees and the results spoke for themselves.

            So when any small business person bitches about wages and not making a profit I call bullshit.

            This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

            by DisNoir36 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 06:44:51 AM PST

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            •  it depends on your industry but for a medical (0+ / 0-)

              clinic, physician compensation is 50% of gross.  The numbers I cited was for a restaurant or retail outlet.  The 3% markup was for grocery stores but the general numbers hold from industry to industry.  When staffing costs exceed 25% you have problems which could shutter your windows

              •  Retail (2+ / 0-)
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                Medical is a bit different.  I guess when I was saying small business I was referring to restaurant or retail.  Your classic mom and pop shop.  Restaurant is a bit different in that most of the staff don't have benefits and the wages are super low because most of the waitstaff income comes from tips.  However, you have more people working at one time from cooking, prepping, hostessing, waiting and cleaning.  But I agree with you on the 25%.  If you're paying out 25% in wages and benefits something is wrong and usually it's not that you pay too much but that  you just bring in too little income.  Of course unless you're the typical GOoPer who rewards themselves (embezzles), their family and friends handsomely and in the process drive the business into the ground.

                This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

                by DisNoir36 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:51:15 AM PST

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                •  Market dynamics shift? (1+ / 0-)
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                  How would a change in the minimum wage change the market balance between Main Street and WalMart/MacDonalds?  In our very rural end of the country, it seems to me that forcing the outfits that depend on low wage workers to take market share from local business people who mostly staff the stores themselves and with family would tip the balance a bit towards those Main Street businesses.  But, most Americans don't live and shop in small towns and rural areas.  

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