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  •  I'll grant you justiceputnam ought not to... (9+ / 0-)

    have used the term "STFU."
    Kinda rude.

    But I find the casual use of the phrase "illegals" upthread far, far more upsetting.

    •  Amen... (7+ / 0-)

      We need a civil conversation on this, because we need to build allies.  But hopefully, those who prefer the term "illegal" will at least listen to the argument for comprehensive immigration reform, and will attempt to understand the complexity of the issue, and why labeling someone as "illegal" is factually inaccurate much of the time, and rude all of the time.  We don't want to go down the RKBA path with folks screaming at each other - we want consensus and a way forward.  

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 02:45:43 AM PST

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      •  "Civil" conversation being the key. (3+ / 0-)

        I enjoy and thrive on being educated and enlightened about an issue... this being one of them.  But being called a so-called democrat bigot and told to STFU or else doesn't really engage me as much as enrage me -- and now everything this poster writes carries that prejudice.

        Not exactly Dale Carnegie material.

        Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank.
        Give a man a bank and he can rob the world.

        by here4tehbeer on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 05:13:15 AM PST

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        •  Dale... (1+ / 0-)
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          .... fuckin' Carnagie?

          I am not trying to influence and persuade.

          I am making a point.

          If my use of STFU enrages because of one's insistence on using bigoted language, then so be it.

          Sometimes it takes a STFU to get people to listen.

          Well... folks have taken notice.

          Good job in the circles I run with.

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          by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:02:48 PM PST

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      •  This diary isn't the way (1+ / 0-)
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        To   a civil conversation. Nor is uprating blatant violations of the community standards on the ground that someone is apparently respected (although, I have to say, not by a lot of us) and has a "history." Many longtime users have been banned, after all.

        We also aren't going to get to the civil conversation by claiming that people aren't listening to arguments for immigration reform simply because they use different terminology. I support immigration reform, which includes the dreaded "A" word and a path to citizenship. I support allowing people who were children when their parent brought them here illegally to remain in the country. Calling me a "bigot" and to "STFU" or supporting such behavior is no way to start a civil discourse.

        And no it is not inaccurate to label someone's presence here as Illegal, if it is not authorized by law and nor is it rude to point that out.

    •  There's no rule on here (0+ / 0-)

      against not upsetting someone, though.

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