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  •  Talent-poaching, as well. (20+ / 0-)

    One consequence of Texas's refusal to fund education (to preserve low taxes, of course) is that the state basically can't afford to educate its own citizens.  It's hardly uncommon for young Texans to go to other states for their college educations because there isn't enough room at the two "flagship" state universities (UT, A&M) to educate everybody, and the remaining state universities are often thought to be subpar.  The University of Oklahoma is thrilled to get all those Texans rejected by UT to pay out-of-state tuition, by the way.

    It also means that any business that wishes to open in Texas and that requires highly-educated workers often finds themselves needing them to convince highly-educated workers to move in from other states.  Surely most of the businesses in Silicon Valley are well aware that convincing talented people to come even to Austin (much less, well, anywhere else in the state) is going to be a lot more difficult.

    28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 04:18:37 PM PST

    •  Add in the hotter summer temperatures (2+ / 0-)
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      in Texas, compared to here in the Silly Con Valley (I'll continue to call that in the wake of the dot-bomb bust -- if some of those companies had spent money on R&D instead of foosball tables and high-end office chairs, they might not have gone belly up), and the fact that those folks would have to send their kids to private schools to get a decent education, and recruiting might be a bit on the difficult side.

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 04:37:33 PM PST

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      •  Eh... (8+ / 0-)
        the fact that those folks would have to send their kids to private schools to get a decent education
        I'd quibble with this pretty strongly.  In typical fashion of a state run by conservatives, Texas's public school system is more plagued by inequality than by all-around suck.  If you're a high-tech professional in the DFW area, you can just buy a house in Plano, Southlake, or Flower Mound (or a few other suburbs) and your kids will get a good education at the public schools.

        The schools for the masses suck, but the level of inequality in the school system means that there are islands where your kids will get a good education.

        28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

        by TDDVandy on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 05:21:15 PM PST

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        •  and then there's the issue (1+ / 0-)
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          of defining "a good education."  I would also quibble that many of the Silicon Valley schools which top the "test results" lists and run up property values in their districts, are perhaps not as good at actually educating their students, as people  believe.

          And I've been a teacher in Silicon Valley for fourteen years, and have a daughter at Berkeley, so I have some knowledge of the topic....

          On the other hand, I have absolutely no experience or knowledge about Texas schools, and I intend to keep it that way.  :)

          "Teachers are the enemies of ignorance. If the teachers win, Rush and his allies lose." Stolen from Sidnora, 12/15/12 with thanks!

          by kmoore61 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 06:02:00 PM PST

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        •  On the other hand, (1+ / 0-)
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          according to this, Texas does a better job (or maybe a less bad job) of educating lower-income and minority students than California.

          •  Which makes me wonder (0+ / 0-)

            about the damn editorial in the DMN on Friday which argued that Texas needs to do a better job of educating its citizens (but was argued from a RW perspective.)

            28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

            by TDDVandy on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 08:16:28 PM PST

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    •  Is it Fox News day on Daily KOS? (1+ / 0-)
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      The problem I have with these editorials is that they sound too much like Fox News, you know spouting out of date opinions as valid news analysis.

      Here are the facts.  Every Urban area in Texas voted for Obama.  All of them.  The only reason Texas does not for more liberal officials is because of idiotic posts and comments like this.  Hispanic and Black people are not dumb.  You can't insult them on one day and then expect them to be your friends the next.  That is Fox News does.  Many are in Texas because it is the one state that does not, on the whole, racially profile them and try to convict them on bogus charges, or fire police officers who report such behavior instead of the corrupt racist police officers.  Why would we want to be like the rest of the country who does not like minorities in their neighborhoods.

      Second, the only thing that makes Austin more like the rest of the country is that it is the one urban area that is almost majority white.  Not quite, but like 48% white non hispanic.

      Third, Texas is not dependent on public universities, or it so provincial that we are afraid of kids leaving the states and learning other customs.  School districts invest in software specifically to make students aware that scholarships are available to allow them to go to private colleges, out of stat, or wherever their academic desires take them.  Unless you are going to be a lawyer, UT is not going to get you anything special, and you are arguably better off having a degree from Rice than A&M.  The financial packages that Texas private universities get are often better than other states public colleges.  Which is the real issue.  When I was at University in what was quite frankly a mid rate school, the majority of those in the Honors College with me were from out of state.

      As far as High Tech goes, we have had  Texas Instruments, and Compaq.  Currently the likes of Baker Hughes and Schlumberger are practically the only companies doing high tech research and manufacturing right here in the US.  High paid jobs, high skilled, diverse, women making the same money as men jobs that everyone says they want, but because they are not in California they are not good enough.

      About the only reason I can see to live in California is to see movie stars.  Which is kind of indicative of the basic problem.  People valuing fantasy ahead of real useful work.

      •  and Dell, don't forget Dell... (1+ / 0-)
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          But Dell is not TI or Compaq.  TI manufactured the first transistor radio and invented, along with fairchild, the integrated circuit.  What was interesting was because there was really no demand, TI created products that used the technology.  Compaq reversed engineered the IBM BIOS, and fought the legal battles, the upshot is that we no longer pay $4,000 for a basic computer.

          The upshot is that without these companies, much of what is Now Silicone Valley would not exist.  

      •  Ha! You equate Compaq (bought by HP) and Dell (0+ / 0-)

        bought out by private investors and will be out of the computer making business, just consulting.  

        Don't look now, but you have exhausted the 'but' equation of your argument.

        Texas sucks.  Always will.

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