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  •  a 'carbine', which is, apparently, my favored form (2+ / 0-)
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    of gun.

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    by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 09:22:23 AM PST

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    •  Pretty sure a carbine is a short-barreled rifle (2+ / 0-)
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      This fires pistol rounds not rifle rounds so technichally this is not a carbine. I think.

      It is a "bullpup" design. A semi-auto versaion of a military bullpup sub-machinegun.  A bullpup has the pistol grip a bnit forward and the action and barrel set a bit to the rear in order to give a shorter more maneuverable weapon.

      •  Almost right. (1+ / 0-)
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        except, the pistol round. A standard carbine will fire a standard rifle round, albeit with less energy, and distance because of its shorter length barrel.

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        by meagert on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:14:28 AM PST

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        •  That's what I meant to say (0+ / 0-)

          I might have failed to get there but that's what I meant. The Barretta fires pistol rounds not the carbine.

        •  There are many carbines (2+ / 0-)
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          that shoot pistol ammo like this one.
          http://www.shootingillustrated.com/...

          Some people have short memories

          by lenzy1000 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:47:31 AM PST

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          •  Twice corrected (1+ / 0-)
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            So the term "carbine" is applied to pistol-ammo firearms and xxdr was correct in the first place. Mea culpa.

            I did find this very interesting though. It's from your link. In discussing the higher muzzle velocity pistol ammo will achieve in the longer carbine barrel:

            But there is more to it than just hitting the target. Bullets are designed to behave within a certain velocity envelope. Drive them too fast, and they come apart or over-expand when they hit things. Fragmenting pistol bullets, especially when driven at carbine velocities, can fail to defeat intermediate barriers. They may leave wicked-looking wounds, but those wounds could be too shallow for fast, fight-ending incapacitation.

            On the other hand, a bullet that fails to expand (and sometimes even those that over-expand) can penetrate very deeply, possibly deep enough to pass completely through a bad guy and strike an innocent bystander. Penetration potential is also a concern when shooting inside dwellings. You don’t want to miss the bad guy and shoot through a wall into your child’s room or the coffeehouse next door.

            Considering this, it seems a reasonable future gun regulation would to to establish a shorter maximum barrel length for weapons chambered for pistol rounds.
      •  I don't think this is considered a bullpup (1+ / 0-)
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        A bullpup has a receiver and magazine that is moved back behind the pistrol grip to make the gun shorter. This one has the receiver in the traditional location.The bullpup retains the original barrel length.

        Some people have short memories

        by lenzy1000 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:43:05 AM PST

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