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  •  Interesting to note that Canadian's don't want (11+ / 0-)

    a pipeline to Vancouver so this push to put the pipeline through the US.

    If its so important to the Canadian economy, and they're going to mine this gunk, let them build the pipeline and port (which is closer to Asia than the Gulf) and garner all the wonderful side-effects of the endeavor.

    Now if it really isn't a viable project (cost to build over the Rockies is too high, a new port and processing plan make it economically unfeasible) then I don't see a good reason for the people of the US Plains to bear the external costs of making tar sands a viable energy source.

    •  Rockies or port won't stop it (2+ / 0-)
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      See Alaskan for an example, the Trans-Alaskan pipeline and port costs hardly made Alaskan oil uneconomical, and oil prices were way lower then, and that had to be at least as hard.  But yeah, I think it's a fair argument to simply state, "We know we can't stop you, but it's your bad decision, so if you want to do it, you do it on your own."

      Of course, they may end up just exporting it to the US anyway in any variety of other mechanisms - more road traffic, more rail traffic, reuse or conversion of existing pipelines, etc.  Last I saw TransCanada was planning to "all but finish" the pipeline even if it gets refused by the WH, having the US leg run all the way to the Bakken and be used for a major Bakken expansion at first, and then building more pipeline when politically expedient in the future or other forms of oil shipment to get Alberta oil to a Bakken terminal.

    •  First tar sands pipeline in 1953 to Vancouver (1+ / 0-)
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      Kinder Morgans Trans Mountain, that is currently being doubled with a parallel pipeline.

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      More info

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:35:26 PM PST

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