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  •  Musk has made unfounded accusations before (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Where in that link does it say that? (3+ / 0-)
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      Little, Methinks They Lie, trumpeter
      made unfounded accusations before
      (It may do, but I've tried to read it in full, and don't see it)

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      by Catte Nappe on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 02:17:24 PM PST

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      •  Hold on. nt (1+ / 0-)
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      •  I should probably temper those words, (2+ / 0-)
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        although I did pose it as a question for the reason of softening it, simply because I wasn't sure of all the curcumstances.

        This is what I was referring to:

        •  doesn't seem unfounded to me. (3+ / 0-)
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          top gear was clearly intentionally misleading.

          •  Top Gear routinely mentions gasoline powered (0+ / 0-)

            cars getting as little as a third of their rated mileage when driven on their track.

            Jeremy Clarkson is a global warming denying kook (or at least, plays one for profit), but the regular audience of the show is well aware that track driving greatly reduces a cars range.

            That's the audience the show was for.

            income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

            by JesseCW on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 04:55:20 PM PST

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            •  it's more that they (1+ / 0-)
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              said something about it running out of power, and then showed a picture of them towing it or whatever, when in fact the car is still charged, thus leaving the impression that it ran out of fuel before it could reach it's destination.

              maybe if the show is all about racetracks that is less relevant, but it seems like a dick move to me, unless that's what they do to gas powered cars too...

              •  They do ridiculous stuff. Like dropping a (1+ / 0-)
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                volkswagon from a helicopter a mile up, to prove that it is faster over a mile than a Porsche 911.

                Their entire point was that when the Tesla Roadster is out of energy, you can't just dump in gas.  It's true.

                It really doesn't matter if it was out of energy.  They could have lapped the track 10 more times to completely drain it, but why?  It would have been the same shot.

                It's a different situation than this New York Times article- Top Gear is intended to be largely comedic.  It's at the junction of auto reporting, reality television, talk  show, and comedy sketch.

                They shot the "pushing it into the garage" scene to illustrate their (valid) point - if you tear it up at a public track day in a Tesla Roadster, you've got about half an hour to have a blast before you've got to wait eight hours or so to have another half an hour.

                In any other "sports car", you'd just fill the tank and be off.

                Tesla was mostly just pissed because the Roadster is, all around, not a great sports car compared to similar priced gasoline vehicles.  It's awesome off the line, but it's very, very heavy.  It's nothing around corners compared to the Lotus with which it shares a chassis and (mostly) body.  

                Now, it's lightyears ahead of anything anyone ever expected from an electric "sports car", but it's more like a sporty sedan than the kind of true performance car you'd expect at the price.

                I say that as someone who's been avidly following it since it was announced.  I know one person who has one, and one who got pissed when the price went up after 3 years (paid in full) on the waiting list and sold his spot to someone else.

                It's got its downsides. If they redesigned from the ground up today, I'm betting they'd be a lot less noticeable.  It's an absolutely groundbreaking concept and whatever happens to Tesla Motors in the future, that car forever changed the public perception of what an electric car can be.

                But at the end of the day, it doesn't stack up in raw performance overall to similar gas powered cars.  That's not something Top Gear could or should ignore.

                FWIW - Clarkson is a douche, the other two aren't half bad.

                income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

                by JesseCW on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:21:22 PM PST

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                •  you make good points, however (0+ / 0-)

                  i'd still note that the impression they are trying to give is 'we were just driving around and ran out of juice with no warning, so we had to push the car back to the garage.'

                  when the reality is you would have plenty of warning before something like that happened.

      •  I should say that if the (1+ / 0-)
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        things brought up in this rebuttal are true they do raise a lot of questions:

    •  Wow, the Big Oil Defense Force (6+ / 0-)

      has been activated.

      (Forbes & The Atlantic)

      It is more important to be a confident and articulate speaker than to know jack shit about anything.

      by VictorLaszlo on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 02:31:14 PM PST

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