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  •  isn't filibuster reform dead now (1+ / 0-)
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    I think it takes 67 votes to do anything after day 1

    •  Not under the "nuclear option" (3+ / 0-)
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      indie17, delver rootnose, dhammer5

      Which they're obviously not going to do, being gutless dickwads.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 03:05:45 PM PST

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    •  it's always 51 (1+ / 0-)
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      The Senate has a "gentleman's agreement" to never vote to change the rules unless they can count 67 yes votes.

      But they can ignore that agreement at any time, and vote to change with 51.

      •  That's not correct. (0+ / 0-)

        It takes 67 votes to change the rules of the Senate. That's unambiguously the rule, except on the first day of a new Congress.

        The so called "nuclear" option would allow the Vice President to find the filibuster unconstitutional. That option is first of all only available if the VP and the majority leader is from the same party.

        Second, it doesn't actually change the rules, it just makes a particular provision unenforceable. This means that it is not possible to finesse subtle tweaks to the filibuster with the nuclear option--you either have to kill it outright or keep it as it is.

        "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw

        by Drobin on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 05:48:39 PM PST

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