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  •  That's the excuse McCain gave on teevee... (25+ / 0-)

    If we lived in a functioning democracy, people would be in the streets shouting for this man's removal.  I don't ever want to hear the words 'McCain' and 'honorable' in the same sentence.

    'Guns don't kill people, video games do - paraphrased from Lamar Alexander (Sen-R-TN)'

    by RichM on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 04:56:54 AM PST

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    •  Seriously? (1+ / 0-)
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      Do you have any clue what representative Democracy is?

      McCain was elected by his constituents.
      And has been.
      Over and over and over again.

      He probably represents them reasonably well.

      And, honestly, I prefer that to the kind of mob rule you lust for.

      Even if I don't like all (oh -- let's be honest here, I can't think of very many at all that I like) the players.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 05:21:40 AM PST

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      •  Seriously... (8+ / 0-)

        Our 'representative democracy' is broken.

        'Guns don't kill people, video games do - paraphrased from Lamar Alexander (Sen-R-TN)'

        by RichM on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 05:26:04 AM PST

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        •  Democracy? (4+ / 0-)

          we don't have a democracy.  we have a republic; and the Senate is the shining example.  Wyoming has 2 Senators; California has 2 Senators.
          We were supposed to bring democracy to iraq but we don't have it at home.

          •  The Senate is not a representative body. (3+ / 0-)
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            That's what the House is for. Sheesh.

            “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

            by skohayes on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:27:03 AM PST

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            •  It Takes Two Houses To Tango (0+ / 0-)

              The senate, the filibuster, gerrymandered congressional districts, and presidential veto are all counter-democratic with a small d.

              Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

              by TerryDarc on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 11:29:21 AM PST

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        •  How broken is it? (0+ / 0-)

          Compared to rule by street mobs, I'll take what we've got.

          I suspect that when you say broken, what you mean is that people who don't agree with you get to vote, and you can't stand the thought.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 06:21:35 AM PST

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          •  No, the trouble is that (1+ / 0-)
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            if the country got to vote (as a whole on every issue (and I know that would be impossibly cumbersome), the vote would come out the way I wanted it about 80% of the time. As it is, 2 or 3 dozen idiots in the House and 20 or so idiots in the Senate get to have their way and thwart the will of the people. The Republican agenda is being supported by people who don't even have any idea what it IS. And, it is being allowed by arcane rules that assumed that reasonable people could disagree on the facts. The rules never were meant to protect the rights of those who ignore facts, ignore knowledge, and do not care about the actual argument.
            The proof of my position is in Rubio's speech the other (gulp) night. He did not say a SINGLE THING that was demonstrably true. Not one. All of the Republicans' priorities are based on premises that are simply factually WRONG.

            Republicans want smaller gov't for the same reason crooks want fewer cops. - James Carville

            by wyckoff on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 08:01:05 AM PST

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            •  Everybody believes that. (0+ / 0-)

              Best comment I heard was from somebody in Manhattan after the 2000 elections:

              "How could this happen? I don't know anybody who voted for Bush."

              There are real differences between us. Democracy, when it works -- and, honestly, I have to agree that it's not working very well right now -- is, more than anything, about getting people to figure out how to live together and get things done in spite of those differences.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 08:16:32 AM PST

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      •  We have cousins in AZ... (0+ / 0-)

        and when asked about McGrouchy, they show their total distaste and say that it's time for him to go...but they're afraid of what they might get if he does...

      •  Sheriff Arpaio gets re-elected too (0+ / 0-)

        The only constituents he "represents reasonably well" are the ones who are white and bigoted. That's not representative democracy.

        •  Of course it is. (0+ / 0-)

          It's one reason why, at the Federal level, the country's founders created a distinctly non-democratic branch co-equal to the Executive and the Legislative.

          James Madison's term (and others, I'm sure) was "Tyranny of the Majority", a recognition that majority rule confers legitimacy, but it doesn't make right.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 10:35:51 AM PST

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