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  •  Why does this need to be a binary hypothetical? (2+ / 0-)
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    Tebow has been proactive in cultivating this G-d loves me so:
    G-d let me be a quarterback (despite the fact that I only complete 48% of my passes and throw less than 1 touchdown pass per game in my pro career), and
    G-d let me win a national championship (despite there being over 120 other players on the team - some of whom were probably G-dless), and
    G-d let me win a Heisman stuff (because G-d loves me more than Darren McFadden).  

    While the others being mentioned were being reactive to situations and events in their community and country.  They were stepping up, not stepping out to make a name for themselves.

    I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

    by Hey338Too on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 10:46:55 AM PST

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    •  It's binary because... (1+ / 0-)
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      If you cloak your criticism in "it's bad for the game" or "drags his opinions/beliefs onto the field", then what you're really saying is that famous people should not use their fame as a platform for said opinions/beliefs.

      If you're going to say that, then it IS binary; you must condemn all such behavior, even if it happens to champion a cause you support.  Otherwise, your argument is reduced to "it's OK for them to do it when I agree with them, but not if I don't like it"...which, I believe, we would all condemn as hypocritical.

      So, simply put - there's no problem if you want to say that Tebow's a guy who overdoes it in putting his faith in the public eye.  (I wouldn't disagree.)  There's a problem if, instead, you make noise about "using sport as a pedestal" to "shove it in everyone's face", because that's nothing new - and more than a few athletes have done so for causes we may support or beliefs we may share.

    •  Also, I note your closing sentence... (1+ / 0-)
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      They were stepping up, not stepping out to make a name for themselves.
      That's your value judgment; would you have said the same of a pro athlete who spoke out against a cause you support?  Most folks wouldn't...
      •  To be honest, yes. (0+ / 0-)

        I want to know who the athletes are that oppose a position I believe in.  But the reason most athletes don't, is that they are afraid of losing endorsement money (or team support).  

        Tebow's "brand" is what it is, his endorsers give him money because of it or in spite of it - the Jets knew what they were getting when they traded for him.  He's rare in that regard.  

        So let some reserve offensive tackle or defensive end speak up on their beliefs, let's see how conservative or progressive they are.  THAT would be truly good for the game.

        To put a finer point on it.  As a Saints fan I pathologically hate the Falcons.  If I knew that Matty Ice was a misogynist or a homophobe, beating them would make the victory that much sweeter and validate my pathological desire for their annihilation on the football field!

        I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

        by Hey338Too on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 02:36:26 PM PST

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        •  A Saints fan, eh? (0+ / 0-)

          I'd be interested in your reaction to this 2010 article, published by the news agency of the Southern Baptist Convention.

          Were these guys "stepping up", or were they "Tebowing"?

          •  The players in this article were approached... (0+ / 0-)

            ... by the magazine for comment.  They acknowledged their faith, and to the best of my recollection did not run around mega-genuflecting and making a huge deal of G-d during or after the game.  I'm not saying that players cannot be faithful, but Tebowing and Ray Lewising take things to another level.

            That said - if Drew Brees comes out and says that he is not going to pay for his employees healthcare at the restaurant franchise he's opening, my impression of him will change.

            I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

            by Hey338Too on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 09:23:00 AM PST

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