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  •  Seems to me that it becomes (29+ / 0-)

    religious discrimination if, and only if, the civil laws entrench into that religion.  If, for example, laws were passed that required priests/minsters to perform same-sex marriages in order to keep their license to perform weddings, or if laws were passed that required religious institutions to recognize same sex marriages in the same way they treated marriages as defined in their own religious beliefs.  

    The fact that the people of a state, through their elected representatives, changed the basis on which adults can enter a civil contract (which is what marriage is) does not infringe upon a religion unless and until someone attempts to make that religion validate a marriage that goes against their beliefs.  

    The Catholic Church, for example, does not recognize a civil marriage involving someone who was previously married in that church, but divorced (and has not obtained a Catholic annulment).  The fact that such persons can get married as a civil matter does not infringe on that religion unless and until you try to make that religion recognize those marriages in their religious realm.  

    •  You have a grasp (5+ / 0-)

      of the English language and logic that eludes our adorable little friend Kyle.

      Of course it's not discrimination. But folks like Kyle are starting to realize that the rest of us are no longer listening to them, we no longer care what they think, and on this issue in particular, we just consider them kind of pitiful and ridiculous.

      Kyle grew up feeling that he's entitled to be right and to be in charge, and his irrelevance as the rest of us move on is the worst discrimination of all.  The dude needs to whine a little.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 10:15:58 AM PST

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    •  Exactly (5+ / 0-)

      The Catholic church is perfectly welcome not to recognize remarriage after divorce, or to have their priests perform such marriages.

      They are not welcome to have the government play enforcer with people who don't share that view.

      I shall die, but that is all that I shall do for Death; I am not on his payroll. - Edna St. Vincent Millay

      by Tara the Antisocial Social Worker on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 07:30:50 PM PST

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    •  "What's the government got to do with marriage?" (1+ / 0-)
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      I know someone who would call himself conservative but has the knack for asking the right question. That's what he asked.

      Government keeps records, like it does for real estate sales, but they don't get to decide who can buy property. Government enforces contracts, but any competent adult can form a contract with any other.

      Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 09:37:50 PM PST

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