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  •  The blame comes from the fact he's grandstanding (2+ / 0-)
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    democracy is coming, Fishgrease

    on KXL and how only the President can stop it.  You know and I know it's not going to be stopped because there is no legal reason for doing so and it's no different than all other pipelines that cross the borders.  

    If he was serious about his bill he would name and shame his fellow Dem Caucus members who were against real filibuster reform.  But that never happens - have to keep in in the club.  There is real steps he could do the effect change and then there is soap box grandstanding.  

    If you expect to get any environmental regulations that matter through, you are not going to get 60 votes.  And if you had a bill out of the Senate - even if it went no where because of the House, at least the President could say "Look the Senate passed this and Boehner will not put it up for a vote" and it would give Pres Obama some legislative backing to make any moves that folks like Sen. Sanders are demanding.  

    Keystone XL Pipeline - Canada gets the money, Asia gets the oil, America gets the toxic refinery pollution and potential for a pipeline leak ecological disaster.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 11:58:08 AM PST

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    •  Senator Sanders has been a leader on... (22+ / 0-)

      ...legislation for clean energy and climate change since before Barack Obama was president. Trashing Sandersw for "grandstanding" is utter hogwash. Shaming the Democrats as part of the presentation of these bills would be grandstanding and it would accomplish exactly nothing. They made a huge, cowardly mistake by failing to change the rules, but that doesn't mean we don't introduce any good legislation from now on.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 12:13:36 PM PST

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      •  The Dems have been leaders in climate change... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...legislation since 1990.

        In fact, thanks to the Dems, per/capita CO2 emissions have declined by 5% since 1990.  Aggregate CO2 emissions have increased about 5% since that year.

        In 1990, would anyone have bet that US CO2 emissions would be just 5% higher 23 years later?

        Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

        by PatriciaVa on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 12:35:28 PM PST

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        •  Aggregate greenhouse gas emissions... (9+ / 0-)

          ...are up 10.5% since 1990. Annual emissions dropped from 2007 to 2010, then rose again in 2010-2011 and are now dropping again. Indeed, we're at a 20-year low for annual emissions. A good thing. But what specific legislation starting in 1990 contributed to this? There was a chance in 1990, when the Clean Air Act was overhauled. But global warming wasn't addressed in that revamp. In 1992, the U.S. committed to the UN Framework Convention of Climate Change, but in 1997, every Democrat in the Senate opposed the Kyoto negotiations. Lots of bills were introduced in the late '90s and early '00s, but many Democrats were opposed.

          And then came Massachusetts v. EPA (2007). That opened the door to do nationwide what some states had been doing on their own to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Even when Democrats had the upper hand (without a filibuster-proof Senate, of course) in the 111th Congress, no legislation was passed.

          That doesn't mean nothing has been happened. Scores of cities and a score of states have set standards for renewable energy percentages that will have a big impact.

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 01:04:43 PM PST

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