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  •  I've been robbed three times (25+ / 0-)

    twice at gun point. After the first time, the police officer who handled my case said it was a good thing I didn't have a weapon. I asked him why, and he said that in the time it would have taken me to get the gun out, I would have been killed. How the event actually played out was more like a business transaction, I handed the two guys all the money I had, and with that I purchased not being injured.

    These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

    by HugoDog on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 01:23:06 PM PST

    •  You obviously don't have enough heroic fantasies. (11+ / 0-)

      You know, where you suddenly whip out your gun and take down the bad guy, ala, Charles Bronson in the 1974 classic, Death Wish.

    •  which was the best thing to do (3+ / 0-)
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      unless your name is Wyatt Earp Jr.  In order to win a gunfight (according to the rules of Mysterious Dave Mathers) is to get your gun out first and shoot straight.

      Old joke about Old West was there were 3 kinds of lawmen
      1) would warn you about carrying a gun in town and then arrest you for carrying the gun if you did it again (Earp)
      2) would warn you once and then shoot you the next time he saw you with a gun (James Butler Hickok)
      3) would shoot you on sight for carrying a gun (Mathers)  

      •  My daughter is (0+ / 0-)

        named after Wyatt Earp's wife, sort of. Shortly before our kid was born, Mrs. HugoDog and I were going through the process of trying to figure out a name. Most of the time what would happen would be that one of us would say a name and the other would make a face. After a while it got ridiculous - I was suggesting names of Wagnerian opera characters for comic relief. But one afternoon we heard on the radio that Wyatt Earp's wife XXXXX was one of the founding member's of San Diego's first Synagogue. Both  Mrs. HugoDog and I looked at each other and said "I've always liked the name XXXXX"  Later we learned the radio voice was wrong, Mrs. Earp was named Sadie.

        These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

        by HugoDog on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 02:25:15 PM PST

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        •  to be purely technical, I think Urilla was his (0+ / 0-)

          only wife and the other two were common law brides as was common in the West:
          Wyatt Earp Spouse
          Josephine Earp
          (m. 1892–1929)
          Mattie Blaylock
          (m. 1878–1882)
          Urilla Sutherland

          I also think (from memory) that Josie was Jewish which could have been a bar to a church wedding.
          (They are running reruns of The Life and Times of Wyatt Earp with Hugh O'Brien which is shot full of mistakes and I may be confusing some of my facts)

          •  It was Josephine. (1+ / 0-)
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            According to her autobiography, she went by the name Sadie.

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            by HugoDog on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 02:51:57 PM PST

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            •  as an interesting aside, another Earp brother (1+ / 0-)
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              (Jiimmy, I think) openly pimped his wife out for extra money

              Much of the Earp family history is as reported by Wyatt and Josephine years after the fact.  Shortly before his death Wyatt stormed Hollywood selling his life story during the spate of Westerns made during that time.  However, it appears Virgil was really the leader of the family and the true lawman in the family.

              After his "vengeance ride" over the murder of his brother Morgan, Wyatt never worked as as a peace officer again, making his living as a gambler and boxing referee (in an era when the fights were bare knuckle bouts and some went for almost 100 rounds)

              •  I believe (0+ / 0-)

                Sadie may have been working the streets when she met Wyatt. She doesn't mention this in her autobio., however.
                I believe she stopped once Wyatt & her became an item.

                These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

                by HugoDog on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 03:02:10 PM PST

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                •  Either that or she was shacked up with his (1+ / 0-)
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                  political rival, John Behan at one point; there is a reputed semi-nude photo of her which is extant but is hotly disputed as to authenticity to this day by Earp partisans

                  •  I think Behan was (0+ / 0-)

                    pimping her out just before she got together with Earp.
                    That photo is on the cover of her autobiography. It also was displayed prominently in the now closedWyatt Earp Museum

                    These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people... -Abraham Lincoln

                    by HugoDog on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 03:45:50 PM PST

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                    •  it was supposedly made by the photographer (1+ / 0-)
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                      Fly (it was in front of his studio where the famous shootout happened) for Behan.  In the movie he was shown passing it around, perhaps as a h/t to the real history.  In the early West, with "white" women at a premium, sometimes as many as 100:1 ratio, many men pimped out their women as a quick and easy source (for them) of money.

                      OTOH Tombstone was relatively civilized when the Earps were there, with polka bands in the beer halls and ice cream parlors and not too much later, a symphony I think and a couple of French cuisine restaurants.  So much for frontier stereotypes

    •  as I have often noted, the odds of someone being (3+ / 0-)
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      killed by a homicidal stranger who is intent on killing them, are virtually zero.

      When someone breaks into my house, they want my TV set, not my life.  And I'm more than happy to help them carry my TV set to their car. Everyone goes home alive.

      But then, I don't have the silly vigilante hero fantasies that many people with guns seem to.  (shrug)

    •  It very much depends on the person (0+ / 0-)

      who's being assaulted. John Blackwolf has wise words:

      Twenty-one feet. About 9/16ths of a second, if they're running. (Two steps, maybe three.)

      I will say this -- the person who makes the decision to buy and carry and use, or maybe need to use, a firearm had better first make the decision, with full understanding of the decision they're making and the aftermath of acting on that decision, that they can use deadly force.

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 04:26:51 PM PST

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    •  This. SO much this. (0+ / 0-)

      You need to consider the "instinct" - Somebody has a weapon in their hand and is threatening you with it and you give them an instant to feel threatened and they will use that weapon before they even take a moment to think.

      As a former martial arts instructor I used to tell my students that "If you need to think, its already too late to do what you're thinking about" - and in a situation where you're threatened with a firearm, if the person doing it sees danger you can bet he will have pulled that trigger before he even completes the THOUGHT of "Oh Shit!"

      I can draw and cut any target within a few yards with my katana in under half a second from the moment my hand moves towards the tsuka. With a yari already ready in my hands I'll put a nice big hole within an inch of where I'm aiming on any target within a much longer range in the same timeframe. That's an unfair comparison I admit because I've trained with both those weapons for years, to the extent that the technique is almost complete by the time I'm aware of having formed the intent to execute it. Within my effective range, if he aint aiming it at me already even a guy with a gun is probably going down hard. Even if he gets me in the process he aint going anywhere after.

      But think of it this way - if I can train myself to even the odds that far, even "bringing a knife to a gunfight" (expanding the definition of "knife" to include all edged and pointed non-projectile weapons), how much simpler is it for a single trigger finger to tighten under stress and discharge a round? Bad guy has a bead on you already then forget Rambo, forget Colonel Matrix, you cant beat that reaction. Period.

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