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  •  Just went to read the Draper article (16+ / 0-)

    The message is riveting and the writing brilliant.  Dear Goddess, I hope the Rethugs don't catch up to us in mobilizing the vote.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 05:10:53 AM PST

    •  also just finished it and had same reaction (4+ / 0-)

      please, please let them continue to remain behind and clinging to their outdated model.

    •  except unless they can mobilize a larger (14+ / 0-)

      number of constituencies, it doesn't matter.

      their problem isn't mobilizing their vote. they do a great job GOTV. their problem is they don't appeal to enough people anymore. and that's a message/policy problem.

      Politics is cyclical. 30 years ago, Reagan put democrats in the wilderness and made the word liberal a dirt word.

      Today, it's the opposite and I think the GOP's wilderness will last much longer because of the internet, changing demographics and the "attrition rate" ;) of their voter base. Not to mention, that they refuse, REFUSE to moderate policy.

      •  their answer is here (3+ / 0-)
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        bet they don't follow this advice.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 05:41:53 AM PST

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        •  Gerson boils it down (1+ / 0-)
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          to "stop doing what you're doing now re: screwing the middle class, gays, women and science", but honestly, as that Draper article pointed out, that won't appeal to the normal Republican primary voter.
          Michele Bachmann was actually a front runner in the Republican primary for a short time, what does that tell you about their primary voters?

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 07:28:07 AM PST

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        •  This did not impress. Gerson and Wehner can't (0+ / 0-)

          give up on hating on the poor and less fortunate as societal malignancies.

          eliminating various marriage penalties and harmful incentives for poor and for unwed mothers; evaluating state and local marriage-promotion programs and supporting those that work; informally encouraging Hollywood to help shape positive attitudes toward marriage and parenthood. There may be no single, easy solution, but that is not a reason for silence on the issue of strengthening and protecting the family.
          Sure Gerson, pull the rug out on the poor and use Hollywood to promote a 21st Century Father Knows Best and Leave it to Beaver make believe world, that will be a winner. You just go ahead and see how far that will get you.

          Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. Harry Truman

          by ratcityreprobate on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 08:37:02 AM PST

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      •  Conventional wisdom is that Ted Nugent...all five (8+ / 0-)

        hundred gazillion of him...will be showing up STRONG in 2014......CW says that....really....would I lie to you?...;-)

      •  We still have to deal with (11+ / 0-)

        their oversized influence in the states. Plenty of crazy-assed Republicans getting elected here in Kansas, let me tell you!
        And with gerrymandering, the chances of us getting the House back in 2014 are slim. Not impossible, but slim.
        I'm horrified by ted Cruz, but I'm SO glad he's in the Senate. My congressman is just as crazy, but the newly elected Senator will get lots more airtime, which can only mean good things for Democrats.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 06:07:06 AM PST

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        •  Hey skohayes if you're on FB (5+ / 0-)

          come join my group: take back the house

          I'm one of the admins and we're serious about 2014. It's a great moderated group of active, informed democrats.

          Also I'll be posting something here in the next couple weeks about a new LLC I and a couple people have formed to address state and local politics. I founded the business in 2010 with an eye toward trying to do something in 2010 races, but it never materialized. I've finally figured out  "the way" to do this and we're launching in June.

          If you want to be notified directly by email, message me. This something I've had a passion for since Dk4 launched and I started the State and Local Action Group here.

          When I say this is going to be different and have an effect, Im not tooting my own horn. But it's going to be different and have an effect.

      •  To be fair, Republicans can't afford to (1+ / 0-)
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        moderate their policies very much, because they'll lose their base - possibly to a further right third party.  They created a crazy constituency which pulled their entire party so far right - and one that's gained enough power in their gerrymandered districts - that they've become a threat to the mother party.  Too bad.  These are wounds inflicted by their own hubris, short-term thinking and hunger for power at any cost.  I expect this internecine fight on the right to last a lot longer than the GOP expects it to.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 07:50:17 AM PST

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    •  If they do, it's because they will have... (7+ / 0-)

      ...become a different GOP.

      What Progressives have done with regard to organizing for Election Day isn't rocket science. Some of the tools are tech heavy, but tools only make it easier for organizers to connect to potential supporting casual voters.

      The GOP's problem is that their likely voters have always been a larger percentage of their potential voters than exists on our side of the game. Their costs to turn their proportionately smaller number of casual voters into active voters in a given election cycle tends to turn off the Financial Elite donors as "a very poor return on investment."  Suppression or our casual voters appears to be "a better return on investment" from their perspective. Until they revisit that particular assumption, we can record and post everything we do with regard to voter mobilization and feed it to them in real time and it won't do them any good.

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 05:45:54 AM PST

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      •  Well, at least a few (1+ / 0-)
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        have learned that lesson. Foster Friess, who bankrolled Santorum, said he's planning on spending less on ads and more on getting voters out to vote.

        Said he was "in awe, absolute awe of Democrats' ability to campaign and organize" ahead of November's election. For Democrats, politics is a "blood sport," he said. "For Republicans, this is a hobby." He called a new advocacy group created by President Obama to advance his second-term agenda a "brilliant" move that would be hard for Republicans to match.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 06:11:28 AM PST

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