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  •  Waiting for something near Albany myself (4+ / 0-)
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    eXtina, mattc129, mconvente, Paper Cup

    Besides the fact that I have a harder time gambling than I used to (a combination of the UIGEA and moving to NYS did that) and just managing to justify it to myself these days, I just can't get myself to go all the way to AC just to gamble. Why deal with all the traffic just to get to New Jersey when I could head west on the Thruway or down to Connecticut for one of the tribal casinos? My personal cutoff for driving to a casino without planning an overnight stay is about two hours, which would mean a reasonable amount of upstate NY or near NYC plus the proposed casino in Springfield, MA. CT is probably an overnight. It'll be interesting to see what happens with what Cuomo is proposing.

    I mean, it sounds like it is a nice casino. Problem is, it's Atlantic City. Along with all the other problems, aren't Atlantic City rules generally a worse bet than Vegas or a number of tribal casinos?

    •  Some differences in craps with AC/Vegas (3+ / 0-)
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      eXtina, Sparhawk, mconvente

      Vegas craps tables have the Big 6/8 bet whereas AC doesn't, but that's an awful bet that you shouldn't play anyway. Better to place bet the numbers directly plus odds in the back of your pass line bet.

      I forget which city does this, but one of them have hard ways bets automatically off on come out rolls, whereas in the other city they are working. I think Vegas has them automatically off, but I call them off either way.

      •  I was thinking blackjack personally (4+ / 0-)
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        eXtina, Sparhawk, mattc129, Paper Cup

        And some more searching makes me think I was wrong. Anyway, why take off the hard ways bet on the come out roll? The odds are exactly the same as any other roll.  

        •  Blackjack's a tough game if you're short stacked (4+ / 0-)

          Craps you can make a bet and watch it float around for several rolls before it's finally resolved. Meanwhile they're bringing you drinks.

          Blackjack: Bam! you're out $10. Bam! you're out another $10. And so on. Plus the actual odds of winning a hand are only around 44%: the extra is made up for by splitting and doubling (not a good thing if you're poor). And that's if you play perfectly, even as an expert player it's easy to make errors in corner cases or emotional judgments that lower your odds.

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          by Sparhawk on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 05:24:22 PM PST

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        •  Because if a 7 hits you lose your hardways (2+ / 0-)
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          eXtina, mattc129

          And why give up that pass line win for a small chance at a hardways hit?  If a 7 is gonna hit, I want to win entirely.  Of course, unless I'm playing dark side, which sometimes I do! ;)

          It is done. Four More Years.

          by mconvente on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 07:30:51 PM PST

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          •  You lose hardways on any roll except hard # (2+ / 0-)
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            mconvente, eXtina

            It's not just on a 7. If you leave your hard 6 working and an easy 4 rolls on the come out, the point is 4 and you still lose your hard ways bet. It's easier to just call them off on all come out rolls just to be sure.

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