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  •  But you're not saying we shouldn't do something (3+ / 0-)
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    worth doing because enemies will criticize it, or there will be opposition, right?


    We live in a nation where doctors destroy health; lawyers, justice; universities, knowledge; governments, freedom; the press, information; religion, morals; and our banks destroy the economy. -- Chris Hedges

    by Jim P on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 08:38:14 PM PST

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    •  You are correct I am not saying this (2+ / 0-)
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      However, in this case, focusing on needing more money for the high risk pool will play into the Republican argument that "Obamacare" will only add to the deficit and that it is more expensive that the Administration was projecting.  

      I suspect that there will not be this expense in 2014 when the exchanges come into the effect and there is no need for this high risk pool.  So I think that we just need to wait this one out.  

      I think that we need to pick our battles, and should focus on the things that are  1) likely to pass; or 2) likely to make the Republicans look bad when they oppose what we want; or 3) be a far left position (in counter to the far right one) to serve as a position that we will compromise from so that the ultimate agreement is more to our liking.

      •  Shouldn't the battles picked be ones (2+ / 0-)
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        which a) actually help people, and b) burnishes the Democratic brand as fighters for the little guy?

        After all the Republican arguments against Obamacare are refuted and defeated, they'll finally settle for "An Angel appeared to me and told me to oppose it" if that's all they've got left.

        So if we're having an argument, let's have one where we win at the very least "b)" above, doubtfully but possibly something for "a)" and enhance our position to see more "helping people" things done down the road.

        I can go along with your "order of battle" items 2 and 3, but for #1, we don't need to win the vote. We need to force the conversation onto a field of our choosing; plus we set up the argument for the next election as to why it's not only Kossacks who need more and better Democrats. It's every one in every state and district.

        The "likely to pass" rule... sometimes people take that as pragmatism, but I think it a short-sighted one. All those times Reid kept his dry powder, and Pelosi thought the Constitution was worth fighting for if you could win... those ended up handing over a lot of power, leverage, and legitimacy to the Republicans they should not now have. Following that rule is too often just a blunder.


        We live in a nation where doctors destroy health; lawyers, justice; universities, knowledge; governments, freedom; the press, information; religion, morals; and our banks destroy the economy. -- Chris Hedges

        by Jim P on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 10:29:18 PM PST

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        •  I mostly agree with you (1+ / 0-)
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          When I listed the three things we should focus on that is why I made them an or rather than and.  I think that there needs to be a strategic advantage to dems to fighting for things that won't pass.   I just don't think that there is a strategic advantage to fighting for additional funding for this high risk pool given the cost overrun, especially since that pool becomes irrelevant in less than a year.  

           I agree that Pelosi and Reid gave up at times when they should have fought.   And I do agree that strategically the dems gave away too much on health care reform.  If they had handled it better, I think that we would have had a public option.  

           But ultimately, I am a pragmatist.  Sometimes it is better to take what you can pass.  And then fight another day.  

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