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  •  Didn't you hear the Good News? (1+ / 0-)
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    Jesus died for a metaphor!

    •  As a priest told me a few years back (0+ / 0-)

      the exact sense in which Jesus "died for our sins" has never been expicitly defined, and so we're free to ponder it, meditate on it, and find a variety of meanings in it. It doesn't have to mean that Jesus literally paid some kind of tab for us to save us from a literal inferno.

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      by Noisy Democrat on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 10:30:35 AM PST

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      •  Of course it can mean anything you (3+ / 0-)
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        want it to because the event (a god sacrificing himself for the "sins" of his own creation) did not occur. The god/son who came down to earth for the purpose of self sacrifice on mankind's behalf for whatever reason is a mythology.  My question to you is why that whole concept is even worth pondering or meditating on?  And isn't there a point at which the ponderer takes the whole thought so far that is is rendered meaningless?

        That priest was good at deflection. He probably knows it's all nonsense.

        •  You've never even met the guy (1+ / 0-)
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          He's dedicated his life to the Church -- and no, he's not in it for the little boys. I don't think he believes it's all nonsense.

          If you don't get anything of value out of Christian symbolism, fine. Different strokes for different folks.

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          by Noisy Democrat on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 01:33:59 PM PST

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          •  I feel sad for anyone who dedicates (2+ / 0-)
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            their lives to such a corrupt institution.

            •  I'm glad people like him are there (2+ / 0-)
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              because they've made such a difference in my life and the lives of my family members. This was the priest who officiated at my brother's funeral, among other things. I'm sorry that the hierarchy has such corruption in it, but I'm glad that there are still good, dedicated people at the lower rungs. To think otherwise would be like being sorry that there are people who care about being US citizens, just because we have a lot of creeps in positions of power in Congress.

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              by Noisy Democrat on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 03:18:27 PM PST

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              •  I think the Vatican would disagree (0+ / 0-)

                with your analogy as it has always presented the Catholic Church as ABOVE any mortal political institution.

                Anyone who still walks through the doors of that church or tithes to it is enabling the corruption.  Especially those "good, dedicated people".

                •  By this logic (1+ / 0-)
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                  We're all enablers of genocide because we pay taxes. I don't think that's the case. I don't want to say you're stumbling on logical fallacy but you're tiptoeing it.


                  by DAISHI on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 01:35:13 PM PST

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                  •  We have to pay taxes to the government (0+ / 0-)

                    because it's mandated by law.

                    People are totally free to walk out the doors of the Catholic church and end their support at any time.

                    Not a good analogy.

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