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  •  You need better reading skills (0+ / 0-)
    Properly functioning capitalism has rules and laws.
    I said properly functioning capitalism, not "true" capitalism.  Let me introduce you to another logical fallacy, one that you've committed, the straw man.  There's no such thing as true capitalism, or true communism.  It's not mythical, it either works in reality, or it doesn't.  They're just systems. Warren does not espouse ideologies.  She doesn't swear allegiance to capitalism, she just thinks ideas from it are practical and work for people.  She's written on that extensively in her many books and in her interviews.  If you think capitalism is some sort of cloak and dagger plot from the boardroom, then you and her would not have much to talk about.

    "Holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die," - Buddha.

    by sujigu on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 10:29:57 AM PST

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    •  Like round squares, there is no properly (0+ / 0-)

      functioning capitalism. Capitalism, as defined ab initio is not a strawman. Your fiction, while not a strawman, is also fallacious, because one cannot argue from an intentional fiction any more than one can argue from an accidental falsehood or incorrect definition.

      I'll not address the strawman about what I think, because I do do that, think, so there is no point in addressing additional drivel.

      Again, I am not addressing Ms. Warren or anything she believes, and/or whether it is deemed proper by this or that group of persons to call that set of beliefs, whatever they may be, an ideology, so you can stop babbling about her. I address only an argument based on a completely false and inaccurate definition, which is, ergo, invalid.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 12:54:23 PM PST

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      •  The diary is about her (0+ / 0-)

        so talking about her makes perfect sense.  

        I can point to historically periods where capitalism functions, and also point to poor policy or inaction that leads to negative results and causes it not to function.  Sorry, it's a tool like all other economic systems.  Nothing more.  

        Again, I can point to real life economic activity and define it as capitalism, and you point to your fiction of domination by a shadowy elite, and since mine is actually grounded in reality, mine wins out.  You fall into the same trap as von Mises (whom I assume you loathe) by thinking that your mental experiment cannot be contradicted by reality.

        You never logically refuted my definition of capitalism in the beginning.  I gave you a counterexample and you never dealt with it. You got upset because someone doesn't hate capitalism as much as you do, so you continue to simply to commit the "Worldview" fallacy by thinking that anyone who doesn't think like you doesn't have a valid viewpoint.

        You lose.  Good day sir.  

        "Holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die," - Buddha.

        by sujigu on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 08:40:45 PM PST

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        •  The diary may be about her, but you are (0+ / 0-)

          replying to my criticism of your incorrect and inappropraite use of the word "capitalism". Anything you say about her is irrelevant, a complete non-sequitur and a waste of time and electrons, because I wasn't discussing her.

          You can point to all the real life economic activity you want, but you cannot define it as capitalism if it is, in fact, not remotely capitalism. You can talk about mammals all you wish, but you cannot define them to be arthropods. You also cannot so define arthropods as to make them other than cold-blooded, cold-bloodedness is fundamental to the definition of arthropoda.

          I never logically refuted your definition because its definition was stipulated ages ago and consistently used by those who wish to discuss it and not sujiguism, socialism or anything else. It is called capitalism for a reason, and the reason is that the word was invented specifically to refer to systems and or theories that exalt capital as both the fundamental creator of value and as the proper recipient of all returns and value. That is the original, basic and fundamental definition. When you stray from that to the extent that it is not remotely true then you are not talking about capitalism.

          You cannot define an automobile as something with the characteristics of a canoe and none of the characteristics of an automobile. You can, in your own private language, but any conclusions or assertions you make about automobiles based on your fanciful definition are invalid and groundless - it is that simple. Your statements about the flavor of red New Zealand White Cheddar would not be statements about New Zealand White Cheddar, because it is not red, that would be something else of your own definition and creation that has nothing to do with the real thing.

          You gave me no counterexample of anything, btw, because there is no example of capitalism that fails to exalt capital just as there is no example of an arthropod which is not cold blooded.
          I won't address the remaining ad hom just as I ignored your prior idiotic projections or fabrications concerning me and my thought processes, etc. Like your idea that you can, at this late, late date, independently define something which was defined centuries ago and established through centuries of usage it is simply laughable.

          Bye.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:42:26 AM PST

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