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  •  Bull. (3+ / 0-)
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    On its worst day nuclear energy was better than everything else.

    If there's any mediocrity to be discussed, it exists wholly and totally with those who focused on nuclear energy's tiny flaws - while ignoring the grotesque and murderous flaws of everything else.

    Whenever I hear a mediocre self declared "thinker" complaining about nuclear power, I remind them that even without climate change, air pollution kills 3.3 million people per year, about 9000 per day, 377 per hour, six or seven a minute, one every 9 to 10 seconds - half of whom are under the age of five.

    We have shitheads around here who simultaneously pretend to give a rat's ass about climate change and then whine insipidly that nuclear energy - built in this country by none other than Nobel Laureate, scientist, educator, administrator and diplomat Glenn Seaborg - is "mediocre."

    I personally observed such whining right here on Daily Kos, where a person who obviously knew nothing about nuclear science - but still feels entitled to rule on the competence of nuclear scientists - helped to participate in the orgy of fear, ignorance and superstition by claiming that the fuel at Fukushima was "critical."

    Now.   What killed more people?   The last 5 hours of air pollution on this planet, the fiver hours before that and the five weeks before that or Fukushima?

    How many diaries have been written in this circle jerk of wishful thinking about the people who died from air pollution because Japan''s reactors shut and were replaced by fossil fuel plants, not one of which can operate for a single day without killing people?

    Did you write one?

    Do you know that the increase in dangerous fossil fuel wastes in the atmosphere unexpectedly spiked in April of 2012, rising 2.90 ppm over the previous year?

    What happened that month?   Oh yeah, Japan shut all of its nuclear reactors to determine if they were "safe," even though the number of people killed in Japan by nuclear energy was, um, zero.

    How many diaries did you write about Fukushima?    Has there been one radiation death from Fukushima yet?

    If there were 4,000 it would still be less than half a day of air pollution, this over a 50 year history.

    You love to whine about climate change, and offer people an avenue to burn gas and coal to run their computers to pretend they give a shit, and to drive to insipid rallies.

    Then you nitpick about highly trained people who do highly technical jobs involving topics you know nothing about.

    Neither you, nor any other whiner on this hellhole of an anti-nuke website have the slightest fucking idea how a nuclear plant works, or what goes into the design, the construction or the operation of one.

    In order to have killed as many people as die - unremarked by you - as die from air pollution, the nuclear industry would need to kill 30 million people every decade?   Where are they?

    You want to know why the planetary atmosphere has absolutely no chance of recovering ever?

    You have a bathroom?

    Go look in the mirror.

    Enjoy the week.

    •  Glenn Seaborg was a F!n genius (2+ / 0-)
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      as were many of the people who developed nuclear power.

      There's no doubt in my mind that more people died in China from coal derived air pollution this winter than civilian nuclear power ever killed. I'm sure it's not even close.

      You completely missed my point.

      Environmentalists didn't kill nuclear power in the U.S. Poor management and economic problems did.

      PWRs in Japan performed amazingly well in the earthquake. Unfortunately, poorly sited and managed BWRs had serious problems.

      I have never claimed to be a nuclear physicist or engineer. However, I am familiar with aspects of nuclear chemistry and have been to many nuclear facilities.

      look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

      by FishOutofWater on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 05:34:12 PM PST

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    •  Hey grouchy NNadir (2+ / 0-)
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      I put in lots of pro-nuke comments.  I wish the nukes would keep stable for awhile and not blow up or flood so I don't look like more of an idiot than usual.

      Orly, it isn't evidence just because you downloaded it from the internet.

      by 6412093 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 08:54:29 PM PST

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    •  nnadir - diplomatic as always and recruiting (2+ / 0-)
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      AoT, dinazina

      to the cause by insulting in every way imaginable.

      there is truth in what you say, but you have to read around the invective to find it.

      good luck getting people to see the light when you're telling them what a bunch of morons they are.

      and still, I'd like to see you offer up your backyard for the nuclear waste and explain to me exactly how much uranium we're going to be able to mine before we're out of that too.

      and no, you can't invoke the thorium reactor fairy.

      big badda boom : GRB 090423

      by squarewheel on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 11:02:17 PM PST

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