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  •  Instead of sniping (2+ / 0-)
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    Lujane, Glen The Plumber

    why not a few lines about your mass-chemistry event theory?   It would actually fit in with the discussion here, and perhaps people would want to check the link to your blog.

    Just waitin' around for the new Amy Winehouse album

    by jarbyus on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 04:01:48 PM PST

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    •  Thanks for asking (0+ / 0-)

      The opening three paragraphs for Sunday's post.

      Climate change is not British imperialism

      President Obama, after absolutely ignoring climate change during the fall's campaign, at least had the sense to bring it up in his State of the Union address.  He's still not taking the subject seriously, mind you, but he did bring it up which proves to a big chunk of Democratic loyalists that they and their party are on the side of the angels.  All of this has been leading up today's high mass—the Forward on Climate rally in Washington DC.  We have already had the "holy week" arrests—Daryl Hannah was taken in on Valentine's Day for chaining herself to the White House fence.

      Democratic loyalists are quick to point out that such events "raise awareness" and prepare the ground for more enlightened legislation to come.  And usually I tone down my critiques of street actions for that reason although I am FAR from convinced by it.  But this time, there is something especially irrelevant about protests.  Climate change is a chemistry event caused by over-oxidation of carbon by billions of people with access to too many fires.  So the question becomes, given this is a mass-participation chemistry event, what exactly can one address by getting ritually arrested at the White House?

      When Mohandas Gandhi, the great spirit of mass protests was organizing the Salt March, his opposition was an economic and political system—something that could be changed in response to his demands.  It think it a major stretch to think such methods are remotely applicable to a mass-based science problem like climate change.  Just remember, the only way the non-scientifically and technologically literate folks can hope to help solve the climate problems is to make sure the folks who CAN solve the problems are properly funded.  Now IF you can show us how getting symbolically arrested leads to the funds necessary to build the green society, then have at it.  Otherwise, you are nothing more than attention-hogs.

      •  "His opposition was an economic&political system" (1+ / 0-)
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        Nowhere Man

        So is our current, SUBSIDIZED, fossil fuel economy. We don't (mostly) burn fossil fuels instead of building solar panels/wind turbines and investing in green energy research because it is some kind of inevitable outcome. We do it because oil companies have lobbied louder and stronger and with more money than green energy, and their voices have been heard.

        What we need is for climate change to become a national and global priority. The #1 priority across the globe: ending our addiction to fossil fuels.

        It's nearly impossible for this sort of change to happen in an ENTIRELY bottom-up manner. We need the necessary systems to be in place (for example, if you buy an electric car or install solar panels on your roof, you need an infrastructure to charge the car or link the panels into). We need good mass transit systems in all major cities. We need to stop subsidizing fossil fuel companies, and more than that, restrict the amount of fossil fuels that get burned (since we can only burn 1/5 of our remaining reserves). Otherwise, all our attempts to "go green" as individual consumers aren't going to go very far.

        "We are stardust, we are golden, and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden." (Joni Mitchell) Join the Forward on Climate Rally on February 17!

        by Eowyn9 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 07:10:36 AM PST

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      •  Name calling "attention-hogs" (1+ / 0-)
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           A sorry statement.  

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