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  •  Yes, yes, I know you think everyone who... (12+ / 0-)

    ...disagrees with you on a whole range of topics should seek mental health assistance or comes across as a senseless jerk. You've missed the real message behind the Keystone XL protests. You admit you don't know much about the pipeline. And you prove you don't know much about the motivations behind the protests of the pipeline. Perhaps taking a little more time to check both out before hitting "post" might help you out in that regard.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 10:36:08 PM PST

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    •  I do not know much.But I know more than many (0+ / 0-)

      who protest or support the pipeline. Do not take my self defacing as an admittance of incompetence. Id just rather not associate myself with the majority who claim to have knowledge but in reality have none. Id rather claim to have just a little and actually be right.

      I find your assertion that I proved that I have no understanding of the motivations of the people behind the protests rather comical. As I said nothing at all about their motivations.

      I expect better from you :)

      So you want me to delve into my thoughts on the motivations behind the protests?

      I imagine most people who are part of this movement

      1) want to protect environment from damage so that humanity may continue to live and prosper on this planet for many more generations to come.

      2) They really like trees, are in love with the environment and are willing to do put environmental  concerns above all else.

      Speaking to group #2 is pointless

      My statements are more address to group #1

      You know the group who actually wants to accomplish their goals.  Not just waive their hands make loud noises and pretend that their opinion has value.

      This second battle is going to COST the EV movement. NOT HELP.  Again you seem to be caught up in this battle and probably will refuse to consider that it is a mistake in tactics.

      A few years from now think about when the EV movement made progress on this topic. The EV  movement made good progress last year.

      I'm putting my prediction out in the open that there will be no significant new progress on this front.  
      Obama and the rest of the Dems will pay some lipservice to the topic but will railroad you when the time comes.  If I am wrong feel free to call me on it.

      Not to say they will not make progress elsewhere. But not on this particular topic.

      The article you quoted simply does not provide anything but the most rudimentary EV talking points. Something I am sure everyone where seen a million times.

      Why bother posting that? You want this place to be an echo camber or people praising generic words that support the generic ideas of most on this board?

      •  The second battle is not separate from the ... (5+ / 0-)
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        ...first; they are the same fight. Unless, of course, you think a slight course correction in the pipeline route solves everything that is wrong with the pipeline. The governor of Nebraska said he now favors the project that he first objected to because the route has changed and because spills are now protected by a insurance coverage of $200 million if there is a spill. The spill of diluted bitumen into the Kalamazoo River two years ago, clean up still incomplete, has so far cost $800 million.

        The real fight here, the one you don't acknowledge, is not over the route of a 1,700-mile conduit. It's the fact that this conduit enables a half century of vast environmental destruction of land, water and air.

        As for the commentary of KC Golden being seen a million times by everyone, it's pretty clear you haven't yet absorbed them despite so I doubt that a repeat hurts.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 12:49:29 AM PST

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        •  Your opinion is a great example (0+ / 0-)

          For arguments sake I will assume everything in your statement is 100% correct.

          The exact point I am making is YOU WILL NOT WIN ON THOSE GROUNDS.

          You win on the grounds for a scarring the shit outa people with short term "if you build this pipeline you will not have water" arguments.

          Butting your head against a wall is all fine, when you do not having of worth you should be doing. But there are more than enough problems with realistic fixes.

          The language used in that article will appease everyone who agreed with the author to start with, and everyone else will dismiss it as the same old story.

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