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  •  Maybe this year will be the turning point. (16+ / 0-)

    I'm not in a rage about the Obama administration letting this slide.  I understand the people who are, and sympathize, but without a huge wave of public support that dog won't hunt.  I give you gun laws as an object lesson on this, with a side of climate change.  

    If enough citizens support change, change comes.  It amazes me that so few political activists really seem to get how this country works.  The resistance to change is in the populace, if they're not on board it fails.  

    People were desperate during the Great Depression and even then there was huge resistance to government spending and government run programs.  So much so that FDR backed down on Round Two.  We see the success of SS now and don't know how fierce the fight was back then.  

    If we want prosecutions it's on us to spread the word.  This is MSNBC, the people we need to motivate and educate aren't cable junkies.  They see local news and hear everything else by rumor and hearsay.  I have acquaintances who believe that Dems in the Senate are blocking jobs bills from the House.  They aren't stupid, they're uninformed.  

    We know how pervasive propaganda is.  When are we going to mobilize and educate?  Blogging isn't enough.  Talking is the only answer, and it's hard to do.  Facing a person and engaging him is toughest.  It's the men who are hardest to reach, women with facts are a threat or something.

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 07:20:52 AM PST

    •  It's Up (7+ / 0-)

      To the people, sure Obama was elected but he isn't a little dictator, like the cheney and his puppet were, and the people, including the pro peace coalitions, instantly turned away from any accountability and everything became not left to clean up but as if Obama had started it all, just what tepubs wanted!

      He's leading as CiC the way those still being sent into Afghanistan want him to, as the people also left everything used by the bush admin on the table, the gradual drawdown of the forgotten already war, trying to accomplish at least a small fraction of those long ago abandoned missions and promises this country made to the Afghans, again. And trying to do the almost impossible, repair at least some of the huge damage done to our National Security and with the others, friends and allies, the same damage done to theirs!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 07:37:40 AM PST

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    •  I don't think it's likely that anyone (8+ / 0-)

      will be held legally accountable for the Iraq fiasco. On the other hand, it is possible that we can stop the warmongers from attacking Iran.

      Many Americans, not just those of us on the Left, are sick and tired of fighting these useless, expensive, bloody wars. I think if the MIC tries to start another one, they'll run into public opposition much stiffer than what they faced in '03. And we are far better organized than we were then.

      One thing for sure -- we should NOT be counting on Obama to keep us out of future wars. It's not clear that he would be able to do that, even if he wanted to. He needs us to stop that from happening.

      •  Excellent point. We're the people, we have far (6+ / 0-)

        more clout than we think.  2012 should have made that clearer to all of us.  I get really impatient with the litany of reasons things will never change- press, Republicans, the monied elite.  Nonsense.  We've always had a media controlled by the wealthy, with a few progressive outliers.  In 1932 a friend hurt my mom's feelings by repeating this "A Republican is one who can't fully enjoy a sumptuous banquet unless he knows with certainty that somewhere, someone is hungry." (Mom was 8, her dad was active in the Republican Party, she told me the story 70 years later.) We see the Republicans exactly the same, 80+ years later.  We're in a newer Gilded Age, which is exactly the same inequality that has existed in most cultures over most of history.  

        The power is still in our hands if we're willing to grab hold and fight.  Remember, the first wave of union organizers didn't just get fired, they got their heads busted with ax handles, they got shot, their families were threatened.  Do we have what it takes to fight that hard? If not we are complicit in our own exploitation.

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:46:07 AM PST

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