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  •  College kids don't need decent wages? Guess (7+ / 0-)

    you've never paid for college.  The elderly and homemakers who are just working for an extra buck don't need a living wage?  Yeah, cuz we know those 80 year olds who are still working are just doing it for kicks, not like they have to pay for their prescriptions or food or anything.  And those homemakers, we all know they're just working for pin money, not to try and save their homes from foreclosure or to get the credit card companies who are calling endlessly off their backs.

    No matter who you hire, you're taking the time of that person - and that has value.  If you're not paying them fair value for their time, you're stealing from them.  Even if a job requires NO knowledge, experience or skills (and there aren't too many of those around), the person's time deserves fair pay.  Then add the other requirements necessary, and it deserves a bit more.

    Disagreeing with someone and pointing out the flaws in their position permits other viewpoints.  Your idea that we should not be pointing out the flaws and weaknesses in this diary is really quite pointless.

    "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

    by gustynpip on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:07:34 AM PST

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    •  actually, no (0+ / 0-)

      thanks. i have two degrees and paid for both of them. when you're 18 years old, and working a few hours retail every week ringing a cash register and stocking shelves, you don't need whatever a living wage is. you need a little extra spending money -- which is what i presume his employees are after. he has already noted, multiple times, that he doesnt employee anyone full-time.

      to say that this guy is "stealing" their time is ridiculous. what are the prevailing wages in his area? is this a high skill job? opening and closing a register doesnt exactly qualify.

      the diarist isnt saying that minimum wage is some terrible thing. he's saying that raising the minimum wage has different consequences for different businesses.

      as for this:

      Disagreeing with someone and pointing out the flaws in their position permits other viewpoints.  Your idea that we should not be pointing out the flaws and weaknesses in this diary is really quite pointless.
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      hey no kidding. however, what i was referring to was the raft of posts suggesting that this guy is a either a terrible businessman or some sort of wage theft (see your own reply). both of which i think either radically miss the point, to say the least. its great that some businesses can pay their workers more than others. all businesses arent the same however. and paying an 18-year-old minimum wage is hardly stealing from them. imagine that!

      •  Well, if you think college students are just (7+ / 0-)

        working for spending money, you didn't pay for college.  Some of those kids are working to pay their tuition in addition to their food and rent money.

        I notice you have no excuse for thinking that the elderly and "homemakers" need only token pay like college students do.

        And btw, stocking shelves can be back breaking work - if you haven't tried it, you should.  Some of those boxes are damn heavy and the up and down, up and down consistently wreaks hell on your back.  Running a register generally involves handling fairly large amounts of money each day, being on your feet for hours at a time, maintaining a cheerful smile on your face regardless of how crappy your life is that day.  

        Perhaps you'd like to toss out a few more jobs as not being worthy of decent pay?  Ones that I'm sure you're much too superior to consider.  What arrogance.  Your two degrees have left you quite uneducated in certain areas.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:49:08 AM PST

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      •  If this diarist happened to self-disclose as a gop (1+ / 0-)
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        we'd be all over the business model. It's a common tactic for small business owners to claim that their only minwage employees are students, and claim that the experience will look so good on their resume that just having a job is a part of the compensation package.

        Underpaying whatever passes for a fair local wage forces taxpayers to pick up the slack: food stamps, medicaid, and yes, student financial aid.  Maybe in the old days students could earn enough with part time jobs to avoid taking out loans, but not anymore.

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