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  •  I mentioned your sig line because (0+ / 0-)

    in this context it sounds as though you are completely dismissing everything connected with SRI as drivel. If you are, just say so. And telling me I am free to do more reading is pretty damn condescending.

    I note you don't have more than a perfunctory response to the questions I asked. You're not making a really good case for the  objections you have to the way SRI is being described in Vidal's article, or the concepts behind SRI. My impression is that A) you're not that impressed by SRI as you understand it, and B) you appear to think people are blindly falling all over themselves to see what they want to see about it. That's why I suggested you might want to write a diary spelling out your problems with SRI and the reaction to Vidal's article a bit more clearly.

    You do seem to be making a good case for being taken for an authoritarian who's just a little too impatient with lesser beings. If you're trying to win friends and influence people, you're doing it wrong.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:01:43 PM PST

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    •  Do you not read much? (0+ / 0-)

      That would explain your uncritical take from the media sources on the topic too I guess.

      But ICYMI:

      And I'm pleased farmers are getting high yields, and I fully support appropriate technology and inputs.
      But you are free to misinterpret that to match your needs.

      The fact is you were lied to, I understand that and why it's hard to take. Vidal's piece was designed to make people think what they did. It's not entirely your fault.

      It is your fault if you spread that misinformation after you have further facts.

      And I couldn't be happier that you support quality seeds from BigAg, chemical fungicides, and inorganic fertilizer use to obtain high yields.

      Again, feel free to misinterpret that happiness to suit your needs.

      “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

      by mem from somerville on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:57:28 PM PST

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      •  Finally you come right out and say it. (0+ / 0-)

        If you thought Vidal's piece was full of lies, why didn't you just say so up front, instead of snark and insinuations?

        You do seem to be making a good case for being taken for an authoritarian who's just a little too impatient with lesser beings. If you're trying to win friends and influence people, you're doing it wrong.
        Bingo

        "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

        by xaxnar on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 04:22:57 PM PST

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        •  Um, you do miss a lot. (0+ / 0-)
          John Vidal left out a lot of information.
          That was the first text in the body of my first comment.

          But the lie I was referring to was the Washington Monthly one:

          boosting yields to record levels through a completely organic technique
          I have written to Sam with the information I've given you too. But he told me he only posts on weekends so can't fix it now.

          I don't expect to influence you--I think you have made it clear are uninterested in the facts. I did it as a public service for other readers. Some people prefer facts.

          “I apologise ...for not making myself clear. I should have said that this new age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilisation --@ProfBrianCox

          by mem from somerville on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 04:28:52 PM PST

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          •  You have some good points possibly... (0+ / 0-)

            but you're doing a terrible job making them.

            I'm not uninterested in facts - which is why I keep urging you to write all this up in a diary for one thing - but apparently you know so much more about this than I do (which is entirely possible) and there is so much in it that offends you, you're having a hard time dealing with it other than on a very emotional level.

            If you have enough time and energy to keep responding to this, you certainly have enough time to take a deep breath, calm down, and start putting together your arguments in a coherent fashion that even a credulous person like myself could follow. If you believe Vidal's article was completely bogus, explain why you think so. If you have problems with SRI or Organic Farming, ditto, since they seem to be relevant to this. If you have an issue with the Washington Monthly report, spell it out.

            Otherwise, I'd suggest you shorten that quote from Cox to just the first sentence.

            "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

            by xaxnar on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:16:18 PM PST

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