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    qofdisks, soros
    the man is arrogant and has been disrespectful to President Obama.
    Mother Mary, he was disrespectful! Quick, rush and put all the fine china away!
    I hope you and others don't blind yourself to the social policy negatives that RP stands for. You can care about civil liberties and non-agressive foreign policy and NOT be a Republican. And of course, if you are a REpublican enough to like someone like Rand Paul it's surprising you are here anyway.
    Yeah, so, in 2012 if I wanted civil liberties and non-aggressive foreign policy who exactly did I vote for? There is only lunatic Romney, and unacceptable-but-can-keep-it-together Obama.

    I don't want to have to decide whether my distaste for drone strikes and rampant Fourth Amendment violations should trump my pro-choice and anti-religious-insanity positions. I want a candidate that gives me all or most of what I want in these regards (e.g. is a social and civil libertarian).

    (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
    Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

    by Sparhawk on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:51:26 PM PST

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    •  I hope you don't have to decide that (3+ / 0-)
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      skrekk, RDemocrat, S F Hippie

      but honestly I'm tired of the mocking tones on Kos. Because there is not voice tone or body language in writing you can't tell much about it.
      He was an asshole in my estimation, to be more clear and blunt. Not just in that hearing. I am sure however that there are other libertarians that will be more decent.

      •  Fair enough (0+ / 0-)

        We will see, I guess.

        I was going to write that I didn't mean to mock, but I sort of did, so sorry about that. When Bush was President, no one around here gave a crap about 'respect', and neither did I. I'm just keeping it even-handed. The President is an employee of all of us, and while there is something to be said for professionalism, I don't think he deserves any particular degree of respect, more than anyone else, anyway. Many times 'respect the office' is a rallying cry for shutting down criticism (not saying that's true in your case).

        I understand that people around here on occasion consider me conservative, but often it is merely holding Obama to the same standards to which I've held President Bush.

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 07:38:16 PM PST

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        •  I wasn't around here for Bush (1+ / 0-)
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          and there were reasons we lost respect for him...such as trumping up a phony war. Tea party people on the other hand starting their demonstrations against Obama the "Kenyan socialist fascist" BEFORE he even was innaugarated.
          He was "other" to them and not to be trusted. Much of it was veiled racism IMO.
          Also, I don' t like representatives of our government outwardly being disrespectful to a President. I don't recall that even when Bush lied to Congress about his reasons for going to war. They need to put on a facade of respect at least. And if my memory is correct, Democrats mostly did.

          So in a way, I mind your mocking or disrespecting the President because you are angry at somethng he did a lot less than someone in the US SENATE(!) not being 'Senatorial" and respectful even if he disagrees with action or policy.
 many people respond like you with the automatic mocking thing if someone just disagrees even if the are respectful. I don't know why you have to. I don't disrespect your opinion. I don't even think we necessarily disagree entirely in a black and white way. I just do not like Rand Paul and it has little to do with him being a Libertarian.

        •  Sparhawk.. gimme a break! (1+ / 0-)
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          You are seriously saying that you might be forced to choose Rand Paul?  This is a guy who thought it was appropriate to waste the taxpayers money using a Senate hearing to complain about the toilets in his DC townhome.  This is a guy who decided to start his own board of opthamology and staff it with family members. This is a guy who has the full backing of the private militias in the south (so does his Dad) and who gave a speech for a rally sponsored by the Constitution Party- a group that advocates changing the Constitution to reflect "biblical values" and "Jesus Christ".  

          I think you need to do some homework.

          •  Oh and one more thing Sparhawk... (1+ / 0-)
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            Rand Paul is no friend of women's rights or liberties. On that his "libertarianism" and "Keep government out of our lives"  flies right out the window.

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