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    Like I said when they are taken into context with American culture.

    1. Bush v. Gore as a decision sucked, yes, but one decision does not tar the entirety of how the court operates. The typical position in opposition to the court is that judges should be elected. Are judges elected in most places? No. In fact, judges are elected at higher frequency in the U.S. than almost anywhere else - and there are bigger problems with judicial election than non-election.

    2. In this case, it is the lack of institutions (non-partisan redistricting boards) that did so in combination with the relative distribution of partisan voters.

    3. No, I do not. Just as it didn't when Hayes beat Tilden.

    4. Do you think that Americans would want proportional representation? Or even a mixed-system? No. They wouldn't, because American cultural and the American cultural heritage very much supports and idealizes the direct link to their representative through a districted and first-past-the-post approach.

    23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

    by wwmiv on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 01:59:17 PM PST

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      Scratch the Tilden example.

      23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

      by wwmiv on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 02:00:12 PM PST

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        Where the Republican won the popular vote but lost the electoral college?

        No. But I still don't think they'd cause a constitutional crisis.

        23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

        by wwmiv on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 02:01:35 PM PST

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    •  Lack of institutions are the same thing (1+ / 0-)
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      as the institution itself. That's like saying "it's the lack of the 13th amendment that caused slavery!"

      I'm not talking just about the Bush v Gore decision by itself, but the fact that A) We had a candidate who was clearly the preference of the majority and B) won the fucking election but saw it stolen by the opposition. That shit should never happen and wouldn't have had such dire consequences if we didn't have a winner takes all and fucks the other side over system.

      And yes, I absolutely think Americans would want proportional representation, but more than anything they most likely have no concept of it. Who the hell wouldn't want the ability to make more choices and when they do make a choice to have it count regardless of where they live instead of the vast majority seeing their votes "wasted."

      Your cultural heritage argument reminds me of the defense of Jim Crow laws and it's not even accurate. In poll after poll that bothers to ask it, respondents like the idea of having a viable third party to chose from even if they're already hard partisans.

      And finally, culture is heavily impacted by institutions and you can just look at the difference between the politics of the northeastern united states and Canada in the 1800s when they had a very common cultural origin but different outcomes, or today you could look at the differences between demographically similar states.

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