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  •  Not surprised at all (11+ / 0-)

    In my post yesterday I had this:

    Rachel Maddow talks 'Hubris' with Ed Schultz and David Corn

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    The documentary was less then an hour long and even though it covered what everyone already knew, some not, she couldn't go deep into explanation or adding deeper proof to what was presented.

    In the above Corm mentions that those who jumped in and walked lockstep with the drum beating, the media, are still sitting in their high paid positions and have yet to apologize. I think the doc was to prod the media into reporting more as we're in the 'ten years after' and no one has been held accountable while the people quickly not only forgot but also that we abandoned the main missions for even sending the military into that region with Iraq and have forgotten that troops are still in Afghanistan winding down and trying to accomplish a few of those abandoned missions and promises to the Afghans.

    In a reply in mine I put in that I was, and still am, disappointed that the journalism profession or better folk then me hadn't mined the Brit Iraq War Inquiry information and testimony, the site started when it did and has been up since. Even though not public yet in the final report what was testified in that public forum and other information within could have been reported on and expanded and the few left investigative reporters could have dug deeper and quicker. The only things missing are what went on behind closed doors and any classified papers etc. that were presented but still unclassified for public consumption.

    This war reminds me of another of the not learned lessons, so many, of Vietnam. And how everyone turned on a dime and put out of mind as it was happening even, and don't want to revisit anything about. Thing is this one totally destroyed that so called sense of National Security as it spread the al Qaeda style criminal terrorism and groups far and wide and the World knows full well the damage down especially our allies who are targetted.

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:25:15 AM PST

    •  I second that (11+ / 0-)

      Watching the special, I kept asking why there were no hearings like Brits had or any attempt to hold any of the bad actors accountable. We were lied to. It cost the lives of 5000 Americans and uncounted Iraqis. It cost over a trillion dollars and accomplished nothing but executing Saddam Hussein and inflaming ethnic divisions in Iraq. The special felt like too little, too late.

      Be radical in your compassion.

      by DWG on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:51:15 AM PST

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    •  No one wants the media to be prodded into (4+ / 0-)
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      reporting more about Iraq.  If the media did that, they'd have to ask questions of Democrats, you know like the ones we're going to nominate in 2016, about why they did nothing at the time.  No one stopped Democrats from raising holy hell about the lack of evidence justifying war.  If the media REALLY did its job, they'd ask why and we'd get the usual b.s. answers obscuring the horrific evil that was the Iraq War because they don't want Americans to know that they knew they were willing to allow thousands of Americans and innocent civilians to die for a lie because it was expedient for them personally.  

      •  Just Democrats? (4+ / 0-)

        Someone seems to be seeking a point away from the guilty!!

        Let me remind you, but say the possibility is there, the tepubs in congress then were the only ones meeting with the cheney whitehouse, whoops little dictator wanna be bush, not the dems!

        The Dems who wanted to hold hearings were relegated to basement rooms and not teabag attended, so any questions about, and plenty were, had to be raised on the not fox networks!

        Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

        by jimstaro on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:31:02 AM PST

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        •  Democrats were "good Germans" (8+ / 0-)

          I don't need to tell you about Republicans.  But the reason the media didn't go into whoops at the time or now or will until the major players are long gone is that there was bipartisan complicity in the whole thing.  

          Feinstein and Harmon and Hillary and on and on.  People who were far, far, far more connected and had far more access to intelligence than the media knew, knew, knew and they went along and they gave the Republicans sufficient cover to execute the war with only minor opposition.

          We need opposition parties to OPPOSE.  When they don't we have disasters.  

          Iraq is not the media's fault.  Yes, Bush and Cheney are the most vilely responsible, but there is bipartisan blame. Democrats played enabling spouse never stopping one cent of the money to fight the war, going along with every end run around budgets and international law, never filibustering a thing, never defeating a bill, and that is why Bush and Cheney will never be held to account.  

          Now, back to droning foreign civilians....

    •  an excellent segment (2+ / 0-)
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      I like Rachel when she's talking rather than just narrating.

      And here they do make a good case for this documentary.  Cheney should be tarred and feathered, not invited to speak.  John McCain should be shouted down when he defends the surge.

      by chloris creator on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 09:06:11 AM PST

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