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  •  Sorry but MSNBC misses two HUGE points.... (15+ / 0-)

    ... the two that were at the time most obvious bullshit alarms to anyone who had been paying attention all along.

    1) In 1991, as part of the agreement in the Tent between Gen Stormin' Norman and Saddam's people, they turned over the location of EVERY DROP of WMD that Iraq had made and where it was made.... for DESTRUCTION.

    That Destruction was carried out by the US military, and in rather spectacular ways. The first instance was by the Army, and was actually the cause of a live incident caught on CNN at the time, at around 4:30am our time.

    I'm not the guru that some of you are at finding things in video archives, but the Army blew up a weapons depot with chem/bio in it, and the chem/bio alarms for a 50 mile radius were set off. The alarms were captured live on CNN.

    The incident was so serious.... putting OUR troops at risk destroying the WMD's in person... that the leadership made the conscious decision to have the AIR FORCE do the rest of the destruction.

    Leadership you say, why yes... Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, and Gen McPeak.

    They made the decision to take the Army out of the equation and have the Airforce do the "dirty" work.

    In other words, the three people who KNEW FOR AN ABSOLUTE FACT that all of Iraq's WMD Chem/Bio weapons and manufacturing were DESTROYED in 1991 were....

    DICK CHENEY ... Sec Def

    COLIN POWELL ... Commander Joint Chiefs

    Gen McPeak ... Head of Air Operations Iraq

    You understand what I mean by knew for an absolute fact? They were the people who authorized the destruction by the US military of the WMD's.

    Making their lies CRIMES more heinous than words can even describe. Traitor is not a strong enough description. Bush was an idiot, but these guys were traitors and war criminals.

    2) There are two critical photo's of Atta. The first is him at the airport in Maine, the second is the one of him at an ATM in Miami, grabbed by the FBI who had him under surveillance at the time.

    The ATM photo was used to CONFIRM, on 911, his ID and prove that AQ was responsible for the attacks. In the WAR ROOM, at around 2:10pm est the picture was used to positive ID Atta in airport video.

    The ATM photo was taken at the same time that Atta was "alleged" later by the bullshit artists to be meeting Iraqi's in Czechoslovakia. How was he in two places at once? This was NEVER noticed by the Press, the Congress, or even the idiot liars, who could have picked a different made up date for the meeting.

    We all knew about the ATM picture back in 2001, they made it's existence public and the news media showed it, and the airport video image of Atta.

    All I can do is note this, and point it out to MSNBC and Rachel, so they do a better job in the future. But these two points told me, at the time, that this was all bullshit.

    Then of course, being a physicist I knew the "aluminium tubes" stuff was bullshit, I know what real centrifuge tubes look like, cough. Because.... SCIENCE.

    But after all, these are the -non-science people behind all this bullshit, so they are oblivious to reality.

    A question was posed.... were they deliberately deceiving us, or were they just stupid.

    I for one would hope they were deliberately evil, because if they were THAT stupid, holy shit we are in a world of hurt.

    And it wasn't about Bush's daddy, or Saddam's a bad guy anyway, etc, etc.... it was always about the 110 BILLION barrels of Oil reserves:

    And they FUCKED THAT UP TOO.

    Evil and incompetent.

    •  wish I could give you more than one rec (5+ / 0-)

      traitors.  and not just to the US.  to humanity.

      what is going on with the oil?

      www.tapestryofbronze.com

      by chloris creator on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 10:05:57 AM PST

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      •  Going back and doing some research.. (3+ / 0-)
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        there were many posts on DKos and other sites that mentioned a study saying that most of the oil left in Iraq is nearly unattainable.  The easy oil is all gone and now they must use high pressure to bring the oil to the surface.  They study and the posts about it were quickly condemned and nullified by the Dkos media waldos who pop up to debunk and hijack rational conversation.  So, the gist is that the US got nothing in the way of oil out of Iraq.

        Energy is neither created nor destroyed; it only changes form.

        by SME in Seattle on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 12:21:09 PM PST

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        •  I never heard about the oil being nearly (1+ / 0-)
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          unattainable. If you google "iraq oil reserves" u don't see that.
          Here's the wiki on the subject:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          Excerpt (see particularly last paragraph):

          Oil reserves in Iraq will be the largest in the world according to recent geological surveys and seismic data. The Iraqi government has stated that new exploration showed Iraq has the world’s largest proven oil reserves, with more than 350 billion barrels. Officially confirmed reserves rank third largest in the world at approximately 143 billion barrels (22.7×109 m3).
          As a result of military occupation and civil unrest, the official statistics have not been revised since 2001 and are largely based on 2-D seismic data from three decades ago. International geologists and consultants have estimated that unexplored territory may contain vastly larger reserves.
          Iraq has a LOT of oil and a lot of area not explored. The new Fracturing technology probably doubles estimates.

          However, I  believe Iraq was about "Daddy" of he whose name cannot be said. May he be stricken from the hall of records. May his family be shamed.

          Been going on for 10K years. They are all monkeys.
          Get out the Gom Jabbar

          "Stop! I hold at your neck the gom jabbar ... the high-handed enemy. It's a needle with a drop of poison on its tip ... It kills only animals."
          Mohiam to Paul, Dune (1965), Frank Herbert
    •  Only two? (3+ / 0-)
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      How could they not mention Bush pulling security clearances for Congress?

      How could they not mention that ElBaradei debunked the Niger documents in less than an hour using Google?

      They missed a whole stinking pile of stuff here.

      Some people have short memories

      by lenzy1000 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 12:03:07 PM PST

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