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  •  Please, you didn't do that? Let me ask you (2+ / 0-)
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    DSPS owl, andersr

    something.  Do you know, and be honest, how Fascism creeps in in a society?  What are the signs?  How does it happen without the majority of the population being aware?

    Here's a hint: democracy is usurped by a takeover of corporations; constitutional rights (privacy, habeas corpus, search and seizure) are slowly curtailed until they become non-existent; police forces are militarized; the government becomes less responsive the the citizens; there is a two-tiered legal system.

    We may not be there yet, but there are signs we may be heading in that direction.

    •  Reductio Ad Aburdum (2+ / 0-)
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      The problem with your argument is that you propose a conspiracy theory of rights removal as advocated end in fascism. Meanwhile, rights determination grows in sone areas and contracts in others in most societies historically. After all, the right to own slaves, kill Indians, etc were eliminated.  

      your arguenent asserts that all regulatory or legal corporate controls devolve into fascism and democrats are complicit.  I reject that notion.  

      Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

      by Chris Reeves on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:01:00 PM PST

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    •  Like how Obama fined BP $20 billion and (1+ / 0-)
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      Goldman $550 million?

      Seriously, Ray.  Put down the CT hat.  Corporations only have the power the elected give them.

      80% of us are EMPLOYED by corporations.

      "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

      by shrike on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:04:30 PM PST

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      •  There should have been thousand of banksters (2+ / 0-)
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        in prison.  Supranational corporations are the enemy of democracy and are in the process of taking full control of the country.  And they are pushing radical right-wing laws across the country.

        •  In the Savings and Loan debacle (2+ / 0-)
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          there were over 1,000 prosecutions and more than 800 convictions and prison sentences. This time, nobody could tell Elizabeth Warren when was the last time they took a bank to trial.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 06:15:19 PM PST

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          •  It's like people are burying their heads in (0+ / 0-)

            the sand!

            •  No, we acknowledge there are problems (0+ / 0-)

              As have been the case in almost every democracy.   From Slavery to the Japanese Internment camps, from business sins to prison problems.

              But the difference is we believe that for all these faults, none of them form the slipperly slope that immediately lead to Fascism, and we believe that there are open advocates of the strategy that takes all of the faults and keeps moving without your conclusion.

              Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

              by Chris Reeves on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:18:36 PM PST

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    •  While we certainly have..... (0+ / 0-)

      ....morally unacceptable levels of corporate control, economic inequality, and religious fanaticism in this country, it's still a goodly ways away from fascism. I don't even think corporate America wants that, so long as they get what they want (as much money as possible) for free. It's expensive to subjugate people. What makes us different from Italy or Germany prior to World War II is that we actually have a tradition of democratic elections. And for all of our government's troubles, we have a civilian government that more or less functions.

    •  Don't forget drones in the hands (1+ / 0-)
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      Ray Pensador

      of the militarized police forces (not to mention the private armies of the corporations!)

      "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please" Mark Twain

      by andersr on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 07:09:49 AM PST

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