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  •  He's a bad guy, but I'm pretty sure (14+ / 0-)

    our criminal justice system is equipped to deal with him appropriately. It was nasty that he smacked the kid, clearly, and nasty that he used the N word. But the guy was apparently drunk, so likely is an alcoholic. He's now lost his job and faces serious charges. Is this not something that could be handled with a mandatory detox program and community service oriented toward racial sensitivity? Perhaps, perhaps not. But I'm not one to insist on a prison term without sitting on the jury myself and getting a more complete picture of the man and exactly what happened on that day. We don't insist on incarcerating people in this country based on hearing news reports, and we don't do so without hearing what the defendant has to say and allowing him legal representation.

    •  If there wasn't a child involved, I'd be fine (10+ / 0-)

      with just probation.  But the fact it was a child, to my mind, makes me think he needs to do some prison time.

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      by Christian Dem in NC on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:50:51 PM PST

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      •  Some of us think that saying that (9+ / 0-)

        someone should go to prison should be the exclusive purview of those that hear the facts presented in court, not on CNN or the Huffington Post. We're progressives; we don't take the state's extraordinary right to imprison it's citizens lightly. Can't we just agree he's a douchebag who should be ably prosecuted, and hold off on jumping to the conclusion that he "must" be locked away? Please?

        •  This guy already lost his job... (5+ / 0-)

          ...over this issue.

          I think the guy's a jerk too, but let's get a grip.

          No priors, no significant harm to the child, etc. The guy made an exceedingly poor decision (one time), and lost his job over it. I agree that substance abuse and other classes may be a good idea, but prison? What public policy will that serve? And he's going to be civilly sued by the family it looks like.

          And the fact that every goddamn diary on this subject has leading headline 'defense contractor' is somewhat offensive. Most people involved in defense are like most people: most of them are honorable and ethical people doing their jobs the best they know how. It seems like these diaries are trying to subtly throw rocks at defense people. What if I posted multiple diaries about malfeasance by some teacher or other (maybe sleeping with students, which happens every day it seems), trying to subtly imply negative things about teachers in general?

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          by Sparhawk on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:11:04 PM PST

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          •  Yeah, it did strike me as pretty random (1+ / 0-)
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            that he was a defense contractor (or an executive for that matter). Groups of all persuasions have some individuals who are mean drunks. I think his punishment should be that he is confined tied up with dozens of babies surrounding him and crawling over him at all hours, screaming their heads off.

          •  Former defense contractor, emphasis "former"... (0+ / 0-)

            ...the guy was a defense contractor. That shouldn't have been mentioned?

            Cheers.

          •  Why did ref to"defense contractor" feel OK (0+ / 0-)

            ...to me when I read the diary?

            I asked myself this question, and then I answered it as follows:

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            --takers of government benefits, and/or
            --violent conduct.

            In reality, who are the biggest:
            --beneficiaries of government spending, and
            --contributors to violent conduct?

            Blacks or Defense Contractors?

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            by emorej a Hong Kong on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 07:32:23 AM PST

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        •  And some of us (2+ / 0-)
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          are aware that we can't actually sentence someone to prison, or violate their right to due process in any way, by posting our anonymous opinions on the Internet.

          Some of us are able to have an opinion on an issue of moral justice that is independent of and sometimes even conflicts with the relevant law.

          Some of us are able to respect the need for due process within a structured judicial system and still believe that a particular outcome of that system is or would be morally unjust.

          We're progressives. We see the world in shades of grey; we understand that due process and the legal system can be good and necessary and deeply flawed all at the same time. We understand that right, wrong, guilt, innocence, and and moral justice exist independently of the law and the verdict of a jury; that O.J. Simpson isn't actually innocent just because a jury said he was, and that the morality of gay sex (and the injustice of prosecuting people for it) didn't suddenly change when Lawrence v. Texas was decided.

          We've learned, from far too many examples to count, that we have not only the ability but the responsibility to make our own judgments on issues of justice. We've learned that all of the advancements in civil and human rights in our time have been made by people who refused to believe that the law was the final word on what was right and wrong or true and false.

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          by kyril on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 04:59:07 AM PST

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          •  A very eloquent defense (1+ / 0-)
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            of mob rule. Get out the pitchforks, we got us a prisoner! How can you take your position so seriously, when the only information you have comes from the media and his accuser? Have you interviewed witnesses, have you heard his side of the story? No.

            But you know plenty enough to decide that he should go to jail. Come on man.

      •  Bose Acoustic Noise Cancelling headphones (5+ / 0-)

        One of the great attributes of a pair of high quality noise cancelling headphones, particularly if you add earplugs, is that you don't hear screaming children on airplanes. Even if the screaming child is seated near you, it deafens the sound enough so that it is tolerable.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 04:02:56 PM PST

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      •  Is that the Christian in you (3+ / 0-)
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        wanting to be judge and jury?

        Moderation in most things.

        by billmosby on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 04:15:45 PM PST

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      •  Yes, assaulting a preschooler (0+ / 0-)

        does seem like it calls for more than probation.

        Where are we going and what am I doing in this handbasket?

        by gelfling545 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 05:50:27 PM PST

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    •  He slapped a two year hard enough to leave a mark. (3+ / 0-)
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      And drunk or sober he needs to do some jail time.

    •  How many times does anyone care whether a (2+ / 0-)
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      person high on drugs when they commit a crime, suggest they not be sentenced to jail, but just go to rehab instead? He need prison time. Slapping a baby in the face drunk or not is criminal. And I wish he had been charged with felony assault.

      •  Prison, for one slap? (0+ / 0-)

        Not so obvious to me. Probably some people think he should get the death penalty. There's a wide range of opinions. But I wish we could all agree that it is not up to us and is something only a jury who hears all sides of the story can and should decide.

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