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  •  Tesla also told him... (1+ / 0-)
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    K S LaVida

    The range would come back after the battery warmed up. That communication was not disputed by Tesla.

    Hard to say the car "over-performed" as you put it or "heroic" as Elon put it when it's just recovering capacity it lost by sitting overnight.

    I'd say it's muddy, and with Elon spinning at least as much as the reporter I'll side with the ombudsman's reasonable interpretation.

    We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

    by i understand on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 08:39:10 AM PST

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    •  You're conflating a reporter's duty ... (1+ / 0-)
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      MJ via Chicago

      ... to report the exact truth with that of a salesman's? Broder should never work in the industry again. That Musk guy will probably be worth millions some day.

      What I was waiting to find out in this story was whether there was remote access or stored access to the driving/electrical data unknown to the reporter. It now seems that that was the case. Broder had no knowledge that his every move was monitored. I will await additional evidence, but what you do when nobody's looking is who you are.

      I would tip you, but the man took away my tips.

      by Tortmaster on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 10:30:17 AM PST

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    •  "Spinning at least as much" (2+ / 0-)

      Really.

      You had me fooled upthread. I thought you were a fair-minded poster who simply caught a math error.

      Now I see you are also an evangelical. Remember, that's not a dirty word.

      •  huh? (0+ / 0-)

        "heroic efforts to stay alive", please. And you should read his take on the ombudsman's report.

        I have no idea why my honest reading of these stories makes me an evangelical against EVs. I'm not, and frankly I'm currently shopping for a hybrid (although the diesel powered Jetta is in the running). The only thing I'm evangelical about is speaking out when I see others trying to pull the wool over folks eyes. And all of these stories and positions share that in spades.

        We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

        by i understand on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 11:18:14 AM PST

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        •  "heroic efforts to stay alive", please -what? (1+ / 0-)
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          radical simplicity

          I've read every main article that's come out. I don't know what this sentence fragment is supposed to prove.

          One one had we have repeated disingenuity by the NYT writer.

          On the other we have a company owner pissed off and who  made the mistake of using the word "faked". Well that word goes to state of mind and that is something that cannot be proved. So he should have used the word disingenuous instead. That can be proven and is in ample evidence in the original NYT article,

          To state Mr Musk is spinning "at least as much" is worse than a claim of false equivalency, because false equivalency is your best-case scenario. According to you, the odds are Telsa motors is more at fault than Mr Broder.

          So as I said, I do not see your writings as coming from a genuine unbiased POV.

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