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  •  I used to agree with this (17+ / 0-)

    Now I'm not as sure.  Sure, it is propagana, but ther is something deeper going on.

    Recent studies have shown that there is a measurable and significant difference in brain physiology between Liberals and Conservatives, and responses to stimuli can also be very different.

    Adding to that, we are geographically separating ourselves more and more based on ideology, our media and social networks can be individually fine-tuned to a never-before-seen degree.

    Also, more freedom in marriage and more options in selecting mates (internet dating, etc) might be reinforcing this trend.  

    There is an irony here that economic freedom and freedom in choosing mates (the sexual revolution in general) are both trends that have been supported and advanced by liberals and progressives.  So the growing ideological divide we have today may have been exacerbated by our progressive policies.

    So, we have biological differences, and we have sexual reinforcement of those biological differences, which, given enough time, would lead to speciation.

    The one thing we don't have is selective pressure.  Right now, there is no reproductive penalty for being a conservative. So, without that, there is no real chance of true evolution, but we may still see distinct 'breeds'.

    Ironically, again, it is the progressive policies which ensure this, because progressive policies make it possible for even the dumbest of dumb shit conservative to still have a social safety net and equality of opportunity (and possibility of having a family), and I don't see that changing anytime soon, nor should it.

    •  Betchya dollars to donuts (11+ / 0-)

      that more conservative politics is strongly correlated to a higher birth rate.

      So the reproductive penalty would be on liberals, not cons.

      Simply, they start having kids younger, and have them more often.

      •  perhaps (7+ / 0-)

        But there are counter-balancing forces as well.

        Poor urbanites, black white, and latino (typically Democrats) also have high birth rates.  Latinos, who are more liberal than the general population, also have high birth rates.

        Birth rates are also not enough.  If you have 6 kids, but 1 dies, 2 end up in prison, etc, 2 more live in abject poverty, than it might be the same as one Liberal family having two bright, college bound, upper middle class Liberal children.  This is a multi-generational effect.  If evolutionary success was just dependent on birth rate, than humas would have no concept of marriage, as men would go around and just sire as many children as possible.  We don't do that because it isn't a good strategy.  A stable multi-generational household is a better strategy for making sure not only that you propagate your genetics, but that your children will also be able to propagate their(your) genetics.

        Finally,  for real evolution to take place, where one genotype succeeds another, the birthrate and survival rate can't just be different, it has to be drastically different.  A religious conservative family having 3 children vs a Liberal family having 2 children doesn't have enough effect to cause that to happen.

        So I predict there will be an increasing split for the foreseeable future into conservative and liberal 'bunches', and perhaps for some further, slight but measurable, physiological changes to result from that, but that unless there was a selective pressure, like a Liberal-hating meteor, that could wipe out an entire generation, then what we will have is a dynamic equilibrium population balance that fluctuates slightly back and forth depending on economic climates and social fads.

        •  Furthermore (7+ / 0-)

          There is no guarantee that all three children of the conservative family will be conservatives (or as conservative as their parents) as adults.

          For evidence, consider how views on issues like marriage equality differ among the various age cohorts. Clearly, younger generations do not always faithfully replicate the conservative attitudes of their elders.

        •  I heard of an academic paper that studied this... (5+ / 0-)

          Apparently genetics is a better predictor of political views than where and how one was raised.

          Adopted children and twins separated at birth resembled their biological families in terms of attitudes and brain patterns than their raising families.

          Side point: I note also that the USA is in the 3rd decade of a fundamentalist/evangelical ascendency. The intense religious focus on dogma no doubt concentrates mate-seeking into a smaller, more like-minded subgroup.

          •  I think the working class has been well and truly (8+ / 0-)

            screwed and their fear and anger are being exploited, directedt towards scapegoats and not real solutions. And the Democratic Party hasn't exactly been their champion - in fact, the Democratic Party has been involved in the screwing, so that could explain why they don't look to the left for answers to their plight.

            The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

            by helfenburg on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 12:02:10 PM PST

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        •  You must not have a working knowledge of RW'ers, (6+ / 0-)

          many of them literally believe in 'kill the libruls', Rwanda style.
          Do not underestimate them, your life depends on it. Many RW'ers, teabaggers, Rethugs, really are that extreme now, they might not always vocalize it, but it is there under the surface.
          Outside of that, I agree with all your comments.

          but that unless there was a selective pressure, like a Liberal-hating meteor, that could wipe out an entire generation

          "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans!!. . Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

          by Bluefin on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 12:03:22 PM PST

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          •  Killing Liberals as a ponderable idea is (1+ / 0-)
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            the direct result of decades of escalating rightwing propaganda, dehumanizing us and vilifying us. Not just our ideas. Us.

            I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

            by Gentle Giant on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 07:38:45 PM PST

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      •  And that is, sadly, a policy of the conservatives. (2+ / 0-)
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        For the conservative agenda to thrive, it relies on a larger and larger pool of uneducated, uncritical, lower-paid workers who will mindlessly thank their overlords for the few scraps they receive, while thinking themselves blessed.

    •  Reproductive isolation could be the key factor (0+ / 0-)

      If people of different persuasions started moving to different parts of the country and formed largely closed populations of their own persuasions for several generations, then reproductive isolation could develop and become more pronounced.  That could theoretically start us down the road to speciation.

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      by IowaBiologist on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 12:49:09 PM PST

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