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  •  The last man to be executed in Georgia... (18+ / 0-)

    ...was in 2011 and he was also black;

    US court delays execution of mentally disabled man Warren Hill

    If Hill had been put to death as scheduled, at 7:00pm local time (0000 GMT), it would have been the first death penalty to have been carried out in Georgia since the controversial 2011 execution of Troy Davis.

    Davis was executed on September 21, 2011, for a 1991 murder conviction despite a lack of physical evidence tying him to the crime and the resulting reliance on eyewitness testimony, much of which was later changed or recanted.

    I hope Georgia is learning.

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    by Shockwave on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 10:15:19 PM PST

    •  Wow, they went over a year without execution. (8+ / 0-)

      Credit where credit is due, I suppose:  moves within some streams of evangelical Christianity against the death penalty, the ability of "life without parole" and prosecutors' rush to seek that (jurors these days are rightly skittish about sentencing people to death -- better a conviction without and execution than a hung jury)

      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 01:05:00 AM PST

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      •  we need to show those types the movie (2+ / 0-)
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        "Dead Man Walking".
        If they think themselves as truely Christian they should see that film. According to all I know/have read of their religion, the killing seems very wrong-evey hypocritical of those who proclaim to follow Jesus. It is said he is love, forgiveness and undertanding personified.

        That movie changed my mind on the death penalty at a young age (20ish).

    •  Would it make you feel better (1+ / 0-)
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      if we executed more white people?  

      •  ? (2+ / 0-)
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        Munchkn, Lujane

        Not my comment but what you write doesnt' seem to folllow from it.
        As I took it, it's remarking about the unfairness (and thus fallibility) of capital punishment. If you are much more likely to be executed while Black than White (for the same crimes), it points toward the system being skewed.

        Though the poster doesn't go into that, I believe that is the background/context of the statement. They might also say..and the one before was Black and the one before that and the one before that...

        •  I understand that (0+ / 0-)

          My comment was snide but with a point.

          I by the standards here am pro death penalty.

          People around these parts often make comments implying that the death penalty is wrong simply because various minorities are given this punishment more often for the same crime.

          To me this implies that these criminals should be given a free pass because of their race.

          The race disparities  are very unfortunate but are not relevant to the discussion of the general concept of the death penalty.  (They are relevant to the general quality of our judicial system)

          To be blunt

          I actually think we should be executing more whites. Not less blacks.

          I doubt the original author supports that idea. Making their statement extra pointless.

          •  i often have no point (1+ / 0-)
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            But this time I did. I thought the court was right in commuting his sentence. It was unfairly applied. He also had a terrible lawyer and the trial, the first to be televised in Georgia, was an embarrassment. Jeannine was my friend. But I did not want him to be executed. Or anyone else to be executed. And I told that so I also could say that I still don't want him to be free. Not anti-justice, anti-death penalty.

          •  the nuance of what you just said was not (0+ / 0-)

            available to most people by what you actually had written in this conversation. Surely you know your postion in this conversation is a minority one...better to explain it than be snarky.

            One thing I disagree with...racial disparities not being relevan to the discussion of the death penalty. Most people are, and I think correctly, discussing the death penalty IN THIS WORLD as it actually exists, not as a CONCEPT.

            As it exists, there seems to be enough solid data that it is applied with a bias against minorities that it, as it exists in the real world, is not just or fair. It may be, in fact, that too high a percentage of our population has a racial bias to be able to apply the death penalty fairly at all.

            IF you want to discuss the death penalty as a pure concept you need to TELL PEOPLE THAT, I'd think. Otherwise they will assume they are discussing it as it exists right now in this world. And as it exists now, due to fallibility and biases of humans, it is not being applied fairly and cannot be, these people you argue with think.

            Now, as a pure concept. SAY we can wave a magic wand and BE SURE that the death penalty is applied without regard to race or class (including that poor people end up very often with worse representation by their lawyers than others). If you stipulate that people could then answer.

            They might answer that your scenario is irrelevant because it has been proven not to be true or possible. The possiblity of the state murdering even a few innocent people because they are a minority is so heinous to them that they see no utility in speculation on "what if's".

            Myself, I used to be pro Death penalty in THEORY and unders some circumstances. But over the years as I learned of the hurdles poor people, especially minorities, face (with representation, with juries, with judicial predudice, with sentencing bias....with success on appeals) that have been statistically proven to exist, has led me to conclude that the death penalty is not possible in this country.

            I am one who believes the executing someone who is innocent, even on such a horror that non should be.

            I got into a catastrophic accident and am now disabled. I've run through my savings. I have seen police officers lie on the stand to convict people (myself, on a jury, I saw this first hand and overheard a discussion about it after). If falsely accused of murder I would have to have a public defender. I can very easily imagine how my more well off friends wouldn't spend a night in jail. I would likely languish in prison (my state doesn't have a death penalty)

            •  I appreciate your passion on this subject (0+ / 0-)

              This was not intended to be a comprehensive or scholarly treatise on the death penalty. It was just a set of impressions, things that were affecting me at the moment. I responded in discussion because I like throwing ideas around.

              Like you. I am totally opposed to the death penalty on numerous grounds. My main objection is that it is dehumanizing all around.

              But in this post I was reflecting on two emotional connections, one to a person with mental retardation being on death row and the other being the exploitation of a murder victim on EBay

      •  Because, IIRC, statistically Black people (2+ / 0-)
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        charged with same crimes and found guilty are more likely, oftentimes MUCh more likely, to be killed by the state for get the death penalty and have it carried out.

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