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  •  I'll See Sessions's Proposal and Raise Him One (2+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean, sethtriggs

    If we want to get people off assistance, the best thing we can do is raise their income. To do that we should:

    (1) Raise the minimum wage, and
    (2) Make it easier to form a union.

    Once people have more income they will self-un-enroll. That's what Sessions wants, right? How could he possibly object to such a sensible proposal?

    •  I wanted to tell this young guy to sell his teeth (0+ / 1-)
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      He said he was poor, but he had a mouth full of gold. 200 bucks a tooth, he grinned. Oh! He also had 3 cars, one was one of those donks, a Caprice up on the big wheels. 400 bucks a wheel...he grinned. He showed me the pics of the car on his expensive smart phone.

      So the temp agency sent him to where I work, and as I am training him, he is telling me he never really works a lot, (even though he has a couple of kids.) Then he proves it by displaying a lack of workplace etiquette, you know, by acting like you work for him. Then with overtime available, he wants to cut out.

      So now he is gone. He was making much more than minimum wage at this place, and it was simple work, just screwing a few parts together on an assembly line.

      But! he is black..therefore "poor"....well...at least that is how you people see poor .....as black, correct? And you say the right is racist..... Lets recap:

      Gold teeth, 3 cars, one with big wheels...a smart phone...who knows what he has in his home...and he chooses to not work. This is not an isolated case either. I see it a lot.

      When a conservative has a problem, he will say he has a problem. When a proggressive has a problem, he will say America has a problem - Unknown Blogger

      •  I call bullshit (2+ / 0-)
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        sethtriggs, Liberal Thinking

        Nice story. Read it at night before you jerk off to King Ronnie Raygun.

      •  no, that is how you see the 'poor' isn't it? (3+ / 0-)

        black?

        I mean that's the code word. the dog whistle. right?

        Sessions whole 'new approach' here is basically a new twist on the same old "Southern strategy" as explained by Lee Atwater. (go google up that recently released audio)

        Jeff Sessions says that blaming poverty and unemployment on Democratic policies is "a better message than 'We’re cutting welfare simply because we want to save money.'" In fact, Sessions says, "It’s the right message."
        translation:

        Democratic policies = "taking your money and giving it to the n****rs."

        correct?

        just fyi, and I know you aren't listening any more, what we believe is that these programs help a lot more people who really need the help and will become contributing members of the community once they get back on their feet (and that helping them actually contributes to getting the economy jump started and them back to supporting themselves) than there are guys like you describe ripping us all off.

        we can do the math.

        no man is completely worthless, he can always be used as a bad example.

        by srfRantz on Mon Feb 25, 2013 at 07:07:08 AM PST

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      •  This is great. (1+ / 0-)
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        Wow, you hit every single point on the "Welfare Cadillac" BINGO card. I think I just won cover-all.

        It might surprise you that the vast majority of people on public assistance are either elderly or disabled (thus unhirable), or are working.

        Fantastic edge-cases, which we all know exist (because any system can be violated by those breaking rules), do not mean that we need to throw out the system.

        Also, selling teeth? Seriously? That's a solution to being poor? It's a temporary windfall. I wonder if you've even been poor.

        •  Sorry, not into code or whistles... (0+ / 1-)
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          ...or translations.

          I couldn't wait to get back on here to see what I hath wrought, having got home from said job, and cooked din for the fam.

          Lynchie, if you had a job in manufacturing, or a job at all, you would know what it is like, when things get busy, and your company gets temps of all races colors and sexes, the crap that you have to train, and train again, and train again, until you get the hire-able one that wants to see it through. Put that in the hat in your lap.

          SrfRantz, the key phrase in your translation as I continue to listen is "what we believe". So here is my translation of your translation and what your mindless collective really hopes to believe:

          "what we believe is that these programs help a lot more people who really need the help and will become contributing members of the democrat party once they get back on their feet". Your welcome.

          Finally Sethriggs, you are missing the point. Nobody is poor, they just make poor choices. We are all created equal, unless you have drugged out assholes for parents, no matter what color they are.  

          So here is more bullshit: I grew up in a working class family in a tough NE city in the 50's and 60's, as a democrat until the late 80's. That is when, because of cocaine, I ended up living in a pickup truck for 3 months. Yes, homeless is the word. But with a job. I borrowed 2500 dollars from the bank, gave it back to them as collateral, paid it off, while living in a 16 x 30 warehouse for two years, after which I invested in real estate.  I own two properties, one where I live now which is between a gay section of a major city and the ghetto, (I am literally talking 4 blocks in each direction, what a trip!)  close to my little job, the other is a beautiful ten acres out in a rural area.

          Yes, I am a conservative now, clean, not an R or a D, and my hand is out, but it is to give, not take.

          Anything else? Good. Read it again, live it, learn it.

          •  Glad to See You (0+ / 0-)

            It gave me two opportunities to hide-rate you. Want to make it three?

          •  LOL (0+ / 0-)
            Finally Sethriggs, you are missing the point. Nobody is poor, they just make poor choices. We are all created equal, unless you have drugged out assholes for parents, no matter what color they are.
            I don't know if you're being daft, or trolling, or what. I think I kinda missed the part where the family that a baby is born into is automatically granted wealth.

            If your family of origin is poor, you are poor. The reason for this is that infants cannot earn paychecks, since they are dependents. I am sad that I have to explain this. Yes, we humans are all created equal. I read that same preamble. In practice, when it comes to money, no, we're not born equal. If your family of origin is wealthy, you are wealthy, because the dependents of wealthy people are cared for with that same wealth.

            It is common to be poverty-stricken without use of drugs or poor choices. But of course you know this, as the vast majority of our poor keep on toiling away, not even getting the ends close enough that either is in sight. They toil away, getting less than an honest day's pay for an honest day's work.

            Wait, why am I even explaining this? This is obvious.

            So here is more bullshit: I grew up in a working class family in a tough NE city in the 50's and 60's, as a democrat until the late 80's. That is when, because of cocaine, I ended up living in a pickup truck for 3 months. Yes, homeless is the word. But with a job. I borrowed 2500 dollars from the bank, gave it back to them as collateral, paid it off, while living in a 16 x 30 warehouse for two years, after which I invested in real estate.  I own two properties, one where I live now which is between a gay section of a major city and the ghetto, (I am literally talking 4 blocks in each direction, what a trip!)  close to my little job, the other is a beautiful ten acres out in a rural area.
            Good for you! You're a good lad, you want a cookie? Here you go!
            { giant chocolate chip cookie }

            Though I don't think you'll like it too much. Chocolate chips tend to be brown.

            But wait a minute here! "Because of cocaine?" The cocaine just walked up to you and made you snort it? The cocaine came over to you and said, "Hey, want to party?"

            No, anomoli...you chose to snort that cocaine. But wait a minute...the only result of you using cocaine was that you were homeless for three months? You didn't have to do the three hots and a cot thing in jail?

            Wow, lucky you for not smoking crack! I mean, same drug, but...you know, those people use crack.

            Yes, I am a conservative now, clean, not an R or a D, and my hand is out, but it is to give, not take.

            Anything else? Good. Read it again, live it, learn it.

            I suppose the hand is extended to give platitudes from the perspective of "I got mine, fuck you." Demonizing those relying on the social safety net is the exact type of moral bankruptcy that I expect from your ilk.

            You see, when we analyze your story, a few things jump out to me, and these are advantages you have that the average impoverished person does not have.

            1. Your $2500 loan, since you didn't mention a cosigner it means that you had one or more of the following:
            a. sufficient income DESPITE a cocaine habit
            b. ability to hold a job despite being homeless, DESPITE your cocaine habit.
            c. good credit DESPITE a cocaine habit.

            2. So living in a 16 x 30 warehouse (was there heat? Light? Where did your money go?), you had your cocaine habit, and had your druthers about you enough to tap into savvy investment powers! But wait...what's that adage? Oh yeah...

            "You have to spend money in order to make money."

            Yeah, you clearly had some capital to spend on top of your expenses. We know that $2500 isn't even enough to make a $1 house livable with the price of materials and the need to follow building code. And you paid that off, so somewhere you have surplus over your expenses. After all, you paid off a $2500 loan in two(!) years.

            You are definitely one lucky ducky of a homeless person!

            3. Your claim about investments also shows that you are savvy about housing markets and real estate. And now, bless your soul, you have two properties. Most poor people don't have such, which means that they have to make do with slums which cannot be effectively used for home equity (which can build your credit).

            But wait, what does the whole "ghetto" vs. "gay section" have to do with anything? Why do people like you like dropping that kind of thing? Is this one of those parallel constructions to "I have a black/Asian/Hispanic friend?"

            4. You abused cocaine and still came out ahead.
            a. First of all you used cocaine instead of crack, meaning that even if you had gotten caught the sentencing disparity would've netted you less jail time.
            b. Despite snorting all of the cocaine you could without dying, you kept your job and thus an income stream. You are a prodigy at snorting coke.
            c. Despite what must've been several eight balls, you were able to reserve enough money to pay off a loan. Your addiction to cocaine did not deter you from this task, or else you had extra money in reserve.
            d. This points to privilege in the way of education. You had advantages somewhere along the line that helped you out when you fucked up. Somewhere, in several places, someone helped you when you fucked up.
            e. If we want to do dick-measuring about poor choices, apparently by your measures I did better than you since I grew up middle-class, I was probably (by the numbers) poor as I worked through grad school, and now I'm solidly middle-class with a comfortable lifestyle. I also apparently did this without using drugs. And I'm a liberal, go figure.

            Given all this, I am entirely unsurprised that someone like you is a conservative. You fit in very well with the cruel mentality that permeates the modern conservative ethos, and has derailed it from reason.

            Cruel people like you are the reason the United States leads in most every metric of poverty and misery. Because of cruel people like you, people without money are condemned to brutish, short and unhealthy existences, existences in which many try for some scrap of enjoyment and happiness in their lives.

            But your cruelty is of no consequence to you. After all, you made it. You were able to fuck up royally and yet you had some manner of advantage that others, through no fault of their own didn't. And then you condemn those same people, from your mighty perch of the former cocaine abuser whose super cocaine-using powers allowed him to still make his money and get out of trouble. How quintessentially Limbaughian.

            The last thing a nation reeling from poverty and worsening outcomes needs is a person like you. While it is still a common fad for cruel people to elect other cruel people to man the levers of power, it is becoming less fashionable. Eventually, with the right progress, people will look upon you as a relic of the past. They'll see you as a Dickens character, or something out of an Upton Sinclair book, far removed from their experience.

            You are, indeed, a conservative. I have some actual compassionate conservative friends, but they are becoming less prevalent as more people like you emerge. Me? I'm a liberal.

            While I didn't snort all of the cocaine as you did (or any drug for that matter), I did the right thing more or less, I do an honest-day's work that's well rewarded, and I have a happy, comfortable life full of love and joy and fun. I get to have my wonderful apartment in the middle of town, walk to my great job. I always have food in my fridge and then some, I can treat myself to the occasional luxury and my bills are always paid on time.

            But since I'm a liberal, I believe that everyone else should have the ability to gain that too. I think it's a crime for people to be rendered homeless. I think our lack of concern for those who are priced out of having their sickness treated is disgusting. I am sad to see friends of mine, disabled and otherwise, struggling to make it, and sad that I can only take in one at a time due to space.

            You see, a rising tide lifts all boats. Our society does much better and is much happier when our motto changes away from "I got mine, fuck you," to "Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you." And the latter I would pair with "But for the grace of God go I."

            Wow. And after all this I didn't even mention your "temps of all colors and races" and "crap" line. I guess I don't get to use my Race Card BINGO set.

            •  dear sethrigg (0+ / 0-)

              You spent a lot of time on your essay about "me". I don't have that much time.

              You are right, I chose to snort the cocaine. It was good shit. I would get an 8ball, sell some to friends, and have a half gram that would last me all weekend. You have no idea how close on several times I came to being popped. But then came the crack based crap, because of the regulation of ether, and a half a gram would last 1 hour.

              THAT is when I crashed. But where do you see I had a cosigner for my loan? By borrowing from the bank and giving it back to them locked in a CD for two years, not only did I build credit, and have a little interest to help with the payments, plus my manufacturing job, I was able to do it on my own with no help.

              My point on the guy with the gold teeth was the question: How can you be poor with a mouth full of gold? And it is you guys that equate welfare with black, not me.

              UPDATE at my job: I am now, (once again) training another black fellow. This one seems straight up, Air Force maintenance in 2000 Kuwait. Divorced paying child support for 2. School at night to become an accountant. Moved from Baltimore to a wait for it...TAX FREE AND RIGHT TO WORK STATE.  He actually said that to me. (I am looking for the tri hat and the "don't tread on me" T shirt.) I hope this one sticks around. We had a blast yesterday.

              Lets all share a chocolate chip cookie. PS: your an idiot.

              •  I will be back, going to write (0+ / 0-)

                ...one of these here diaries, and explain in detail how the government gets bigger and sucks people into poverty.

                •  Please do write that diary. (0+ / 0-)

                  I would love to see it. I've always been a fan of anti-government conspiracy theory. Just as a protip: Don't go racial in it. It won't end well for you.

                  Oh and I somehow knew you were going to say you "didn't have any help" in getting out of homelessness and poverty.

                  Guess what? You didn't do that on your own.

                  1. You developed that financial savvy through information others had provided to you, whether in books or verbally.
                  2. Your working class family income and lifestyle (before you turned to cocaine) would have certainly provided you education (delivered by other people) that helps you understand how to use a CD. Taking out the loan and just using the money to repay the loan itself is a very clever strategy for building credit.
                  3. Hey...how do you get a loan without a permanent address? I know how...you have someone help you out with an address or other connection.
                  4. You also did not read properly. I specifically said that you did not mention a co-signer. So you were able to keep your credit. Even then...someone at the bank believed that you would pay off that loan, as a homeless person living out of a truck.

                  You are amazingly blind to your privileged position. The vast majority of people in situations like you faced can't get out of them. They are usually not lucky enough to be the rare functional coke addict. They certainly don't have the connections to get things like an address (Oh yeah, you can't get employed without a permanent address either...good thing you kept your job).

                  And cheers that your new "black fellow" is apparently of similar attitude to you about society and taxes. By the way, there is no such thing as a tax-free society; taxes are what you pay to maintain the jurisdiction.

                  But wow, you seem pleasantly surprised "this one" specifically moved to a right-to-work for less state. Why? Do all black folk have the same opinions?

                  Good on you for not equating welfare and black, but...you curiously keep bringing up black folk.

                  I look forward to your diary.

                  •  So wait a minute.... (0+ / 0-)

                    I mention the color of a person who has anti tax ideas, almost "T.E.A" like, and you try to make me a racist, after you and your minions here have racist this and racist that all over this place about people with....."T.E.A" ideas! This is hilarious. Do you know how many conservative black folk there are out there? I personally know over a dozen Blacks Against Obama, all T.E.A. members.  

                    Trying to make me believe that I had all kinds of help from this person or that entity is also hilarious. I loathe help from others. But!

                    No. I thought of that bank/loan credit thing on my own. This was 1984. I was in my early 30's. Interest was high, so was the interest payout.
                     Yes, I used my parent's address, which was 50 miles away. It was a major bank, they didn't care. The only help I got from my parents was the address, and they had no clue what I was up to. They had enough of their own struggles.  I always used that address for important things, like my DL. I moved around a lot.
                    Yes, I still had a job...and a 1971 GMC with a little camper top. As soon as I saved enough money, I rented the warehouse, at the same time I took out the loan. In 1986 I bought this first home with 5000 down.

                    I am going to print out your story about me so I can read it when I have more time, I really only glanced at it and picked out a few things You may have some good points in there, so I don't want to miss a thing.

                    I have so much to tell you, about how wrong you people are about self reliance and poor choices, and the real causes of poverty, and how real people act in the real world.  I guess I have a lot of writing to do, stay tuned!

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