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  •  Thank you Fish! (3+ / 0-)
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    The Environment.
    The Continued Gutting of Public Schools.
    Drones.
    Torture.
    Spying on Americans.
    Climate Concerns.
    Brutal Police.

    None of this seems to matter to the man I've voted for twice.

    I'm a left leaning Liberal who had to vote for a Moderate Republican.... Barack Obama.  

    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

    by Damnit Janet on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 05:12:50 PM PST

    •  He has moved on some progressive issues (0+ / 0-)

      E.g. gay rights, green energy, infrastructure. But only after being pushed hard by the left, and only on issues where he has broad public support and there's little political risk. Mostly, though, he has toed the establishment line, because that's what he is, an establishmentarian interested in DC-approved solutions. He toyed with activism in his youth and found it to be too frustrating and slow, so he decided to become an insider, whether out of ambition or pragmatism. And that's how he governs, as an insider, which by necessity is conservative. There are no progressives inside the tent. None. Zero.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 05:43:51 AM PST

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      •  Then we need to get rid of the tent. (0+ / 0-)

        Total transparency.

        "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

        by Damnit Janet on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:21:39 AM PST

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        •  Nice sentiment, but HOW? (0+ / 0-)

          We don't actually own the tent. As it is we're barely even allowed to approach let alone step in it. As I see it we either put up our own tent, which I see as a very very very long shot given the forces we're up against, or we punch holes in that tent, to make it effectively more transparent. The problem is that the public's not looking, not even interested in looking.

          There is a concerted effort by those who own and are in the tent to restrict access to it, not only for the obvious goal of preserving their privileges and way of doing things, but to discredit any attempt by outsiders to make the public realize that this is not just unfair, but unsustainable. They want to not only preserve their power, they want to make it seem like the natural and correct way of doing things.

          Hell, that's the core purpose of the establishment media, to make sure that no matter what happens, it's spun in a way that makes the power elite look like it knows what it's doing and is doing what's best for all. It's yet another example of the corruption at the heart of today's political, economic and media worlds.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:34:10 AM PST

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          •  I know. (0+ / 0-)

            It's never simple.  I think for starters would be complete transparency.  Open discussions.  None of these "golf meetings" or private meetings with lobby dudes.

            For and By the People - We The People... now it seems something more of out Python.  Repressed Peasants.  

            As a Mom, I know that it's not always easy coming up with an answer or a solution.  Each child is different and with different needs, wants and tantrums.  Growing pains of each side as we both struggle to help each other through tough times.  And not get on each other's nerves too much during good tmes.

            Open dialogue has always worked.  Being honest.  Saying as a parent, "I don't know" sometimes is the wisest thing I can say at times.  

            I don't feel Presidential in my house, although I and my partner have complete "control" over most things.  ... If we chose to see it that way.  But we don't.  We have to work, learn and grow together.  

            Maybe "power" is the problem.  It usually is.

            I would love to be able to sit with chips and salsa and talk this over with you.  I appreciate so much your willingness to share and discuss.

            I'm not really that great of a political analyst or animal but I firmly believe that each choice we make is actually political.  So here I am. :)  

            "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

            by Damnit Janet on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:43:22 AM PST

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            •  Expecting leaders to change or do the right thing (0+ / 0-)

              as we see it is not a realistic approach. They got to where they are by doing things a certain way and the last thing they want to do is risk their position and power by changing how they do things. They're extremely conservative that way, whatever their political ideologies. Obama is no more likely to be more transparent at this point by our merely asking for it as Boehner is to come up with 20 new IQ points by switching tanning salons.

              These people are set in their ways, whether by nature or out of political calculation--or both. The ONLY way to get them to change for the better is by pressuring them, from outside, in various ways. And one of the best ways I know of is public humiliation and shame, as politicians are uniformly vain and concerned about their public image and will do anything to avoid a bad image.

              Get a few thousand seniors to march on congress and BOOM no more talk of cutting Social Security or Medicare. Get the parents of the Newtown, Aurora and other mass gun shooting victims and BOOM (no pun intended) we'll get real gun control reform. And get a mass movement of everyday people marching, protesting and getting arrested against fracking, fossil fuels and new drilling and, well, it won't quite be BOOM, but suddenly it becomes a lot harder for the fossil fuel industry to get new approvals.

              There are other ways of getting leaders to change, but this is a biggee.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:10:20 AM PST

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