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  •  He has an idea that will fail (1+ / 0-)
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    Because it continues to release carbon.  The Dems are a failure on this issue at the national level.  Even the plans that can't get passed aren't enough.

    And I don't see a single idea coming from the oil industry that's going to help, just more bullshit about how they're going to extract everything they can and how it's totally not their fault because people are consuming it.  I don't know what you do, but you're part of the problem if you're a party to pushing oil production.

    Doesn't bother us to be called demons because we know you're just being silly. We know that is the way most rational people will see it.
    Well, I'm not sure what United States you live in, but the one I live in most people aren't rational.  Have you seen the nonsense that's been going on?
    •  Yes. Yes we have. (2+ / 0-)
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      Have you seen the nonsense that's been going on?

      I'm a mushroom. Kept in the dark and fed....you know

      by The Voice from the Cave on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 02:14:45 PM PST

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    •  I'm sorry, I have to ask. (1+ / 0-)
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      Do you USE oil? Gasoline? Natural gas? Diesel? At all? Ever?

      If so, where does one obtain such a huge tolerance for their own hypocrisy?

      It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

      by Fishgrease on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 02:17:10 PM PST

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      •  As little as possible (2+ / 0-)
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        The majority of electricity where I am is renewables. I Haven't had a car or eaten meat in about 10 years. I minimize my energy use as best I can. Obviously, no one is perfect and given the supply chain there's always going to be some carbon in there until we fix that, but whenever I've got a choice, no, I don't use those things.

        Also, I use them for bike tires and other goods like that.

        •  I also use as little as possible (3+ / 0-)
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          AoT, 4Freedom, emelyn

          and I'll bet my personal carbon footprint is smaller than Bill McKibben's.

          So maybe not such a demon.

          But that's really what its all about isn't it? Maintaining our lifestyles and our economy while moving toward a more sustainable future?

          I don't think we can. I think our lifestyles need to change drastically, immediately, and that our economy will need to slow down. I think people flying places on jet aircraft for a vacation is ridiculous. I think people driving places for a vacation is ridiculous and I think people driving and riding in motor vehicles to attend climate protests is doubly ridiculous.

          It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

          by Fishgrease on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 02:38:48 PM PST

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      •  We are the alternatives? (2+ / 0-)
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        AoT, beach babe in fl

        That's the whole point. People would be happy to purchase wind and solar power if they had the option.

        The ONLY reason they don't have the option is that the OIL INDUSTRY has worked tirelessly for forty years to stop it from happening.

        Considering the impact on the planet, that IS demonic.

        The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

        by Words In Action on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 04:45:38 PM PST

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        •  "Where", not "We" (0+ / 0-)

          The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

          by Words In Action on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 07:06:24 PM PST

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