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  •  a medium = irrationality (10+ / 0-)

    Therefore wasn't surprised that she was lured by the irrational but emotional hate mongering of the right-wing radio. It's always sad when you lose a person to paranoia and irrationality.

    •  Now, now - some of us here at DKOS (11+ / 0-)

      work in the metaphysical/intuitive/psychic field. Myself included. I won't debate the "irrationality" claim but I would to note that you probably know nothing of the logic upon which the metaphysical field operates, so I'll let that go.

      I'm about as far from the rw radio poison as you can get. The very sound of those ranting voices makes my skin crawl, not to mention the foul ideas

      That said, I have noted a tendency towards CT among the new age circles I frequented, which is one reason I don't frequent them very much any more. It's by no means universal, and most the colleagues I remain in contact with would definitely fall on the liberal/progressive side of the spectrum.

      I think it's more of the case this story illustrates that anyone can get sucked into this hate radio maelstrom, and when the do it's a mighty struggle to climb out of it. Most people can't.

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      by jan4insight on Tue Feb 26, 2013 at 09:26:08 PM PST

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      •  Thank you for speaking up! (1+ / 0-)
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        I also work in the metaphysical/intuitive/psychic field and most I know there are far from "irrational".  

        Many of us are working at bringing a higher vibration to the discussion and understand the impact the energy of fear can stir up. .

        Agreed with Jan4insight that anyone can get sucked into this especially if there are some lurking "there's not going to be enough for me" issues (however one defines "enough").  Fear just pings that so hard and turns it on its head.

        "The force is really rather strong with you, Luke" - Eddie Izzard (I miss you, La 3/5/06)

        by Bexley Lane on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 05:01:11 AM PST

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        •  I don't work in the (2+ / 0-)
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          new agey Super Cereal field(s), but as an entertainer I do have a palm-reader/psychic character (popular at Bar Mitzvahs and corporate events). I invented her when a high-end client specifically requested such entertainment, figured I could pull it off because my Mom taught me the basics way long ago (her grandmother taught her). The 'map' is about as specific as astrological signs - which is to say universal, specificity supplied entirely by the subject on the spot. Takes some skill to run with that off the top of one's head.

          And there are some basics, they are essentially accurate for the purpose of 'reading' a person whose hand you're actually holding, moving along really quite general lead-ins, to which the person will respond in some way (positive or negative) if you hit a nerve. As much an art form as fine clowning, stage magic, puppet-making and costume designing. It's playful psychology (in my application), but psychology nonetheless.

          The poison being peddled by right wing 'personalities' like Limbaugh and Beck is also playful psychology. It's just coming from the dark side instead of the light. The opposite of what my character does one-on-one at some paid gig, but with an audience of millions. Much more dangerous for that, yet less immediately effectual (because it's not up close and personal).

          The up close and personal part comes along with the parroting of some bullshit talking point in mixed company, and meeting affirmations from others whose psyches have also been penetrated by the toxin. It is self-reinforcing from there, to where losing lifelong friends and even close family members become badges of honor as well as reinforcement of instilled paranoia.

          I should think that people who spend time on life and/or spiritual counseling of one sort or another would be among the first to recognize and grok how this poison works, and how dangerous it could be.

      •  Ok then... (5+ / 0-)
        you probably know nothing of the logic upon which the metaphysical field operates...
        Got any links to the peer-reviewed research?
      •  and that is exactly why (5+ / 0-)

        the "GOP = anti-science" doesn't resonate even more strongly,  because the left also has its share of people who are just as anti-science, like 'spiritual mediums' and believers in 'crystal power' and a whole host of other hogwash.

        The real difference between the right and the left is not that one side rejects science, it's that one side (the right side) is more likely to attribute political motivations to questions about the nature of reality, and is more sensitive to notice political implications and alignments with various scientific claims.  Therefore, they (the right) are more likely to take a position based on political alignments of the proponents (or opponents).  

        Anti-science people on the left are more likely to take positions based on resulting emotional implications of taking a position.

        That's why the rejection of science on the left usually take the shape of believing things that give warm and fuzzy feelings, or rejecting things that would threaten warm and fuzzy feelings.

        Rejection of science on the right is more about rejecting major proponents of scientific ideas if that person is on the opposite side of the isle.  It can also be about protecting an existing ideology that you hold, but I find that the ideology of conservatives is actually really flexible.  They don't so much protect their ideology as use it to help identify who is the in-group and who is the out-group.  As such, it is can be composed of anything that has sufficient amount of litmus in it. Once the affiliation of the proponent is determined, they are able to then reject all the claims, evidence or not, of those from the out-group.

        For example, If you introduce the ideas of Deepak Chopra to anti-science people on the left, their acceptance will depend on how his message impacts their life and if it jives with their emotional worldview.  Wondering whether Deepak contributes to the GOP is not even a question that would come up, nor really would be his opinion on other unrelated matters.

        Present the same thing to an anti-science person on the right, however, and they would immediately need to know if he is a member of the Democratic party.  His skin color would indicate that he is a minority, which would be strike one, right off the bat.  The fact that many of his followers are liberals would be the deal breaker.  You can't agree with someone if so many of your enemies (on other fronts) also agree with him.

        In neither case was rationality and logic applied.

    •  agreed (6+ / 0-)

      I was afraid to be the first one to bring this up. Being evidence-based is a good thing. It also shows you how important propaganda and messaging is, to those moderate & ('saveable') conservative people out there who do not have the most rational thinking or routinely get faulty information. That goes for both parties, but fortunately our side actually is much more heavily evidence-based.

    •  a human being = irrationality (1+ / 0-)
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      no matter what particular designation you opt for.  

      Hope mongering is as irrational and emotional as hate mongering - it just tends to leave you in a more positive place.  On the whole, I prefer it, but that doesn't make me rational particularly, just lucky in my education and surroundings.

      I'm all for reality-based (rather than rational) thinking, but some parts of reality are really, really strange.  Waving them off so that the world seems to work neatly is one of the easiest (and imho most irrational) things we do.

      At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh....

      by serendipityisabitch on Wed Feb 27, 2013 at 09:07:31 AM PST

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      •  You said it (0+ / 0-)

        "I'm all for reality-based (rather than rational) thinking, but some parts of reality are really, really strange.  Waving them off so that the world seems to work neatly is one of the easiest (and imho most irrational) things we do."

        Exactly. The world is so complex and full of mysteries and these psychic/pseudoscience claims try to bring magical (non-science based) certainty to the world. The most rational thing is to accept uncertainty and base your worldview on empirical evidence. People who do not do this are more susceptible to believe political propaganda or things that "make them feel good".

        •  I really couldn't care less (0+ / 0-)

          what people choose to believe, if it makes them feel good ... so long as they don't make me hate them for shoving unwelcome opinions in my face.  lol

        •  You seem to think I'm saying (0+ / 0-)

          that rational thinking is a good thing.  And that you can't think about what seems magical using scientific techniques.  Sorry, but I disagree.  Magical thinking (the unicorn will fix it all), and thinking about things that appear magical are two totally different things.  

          That many people prefer not to think at all about things that seem magical, to the extent of presuming their nonexistence, without data to back that presumption up, seems to me to be one of the failures of "rational" thinking.

          So I can't buy the thesis that 'rational' thinkers would be less likely to be influenced by the GOP hate mongers than someone who calls herself a spiritual thinker.  I don't see any solid data on either side, just anecdotal, and that seems to go off in all directions.

          At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh....

          by serendipityisabitch on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 05:54:08 AM PST

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