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  •  I'm confused. If voters keep reelecting him, how (2+ / 0-)
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    is a recall useful.  Or is his position un-elected or something, I'm not getting.  This isn't like Gov Walker, where his election promises were very different from how he governed. Arpaio is a known commodity.  Yet from where I'm sitting, he keeps getting reelected despite the corruption, the cost to taxpayers his bad choices have created, and the overt racism he's displayed.

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - FDR. Obama Nation. -6.13 -6.15

    by ecostar on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:00:58 AM PST

    •  Others have raised that point. (11+ / 0-)

      I think the model is AZ's recent recall of Russell Pearce, who was elected 6 times in a row, even though he continued to operate like Arpaio -- a racist bully. He had just won another election, too, but a recall election gets them away from the larger electoral field; where it's just them against another candidate they don't benefit from GOP coattails.

      There are a lot of Republicans who turned out to vote for Romney, for example, who are Wall Street Republicans who likely just voted straight ticket. A poll came out right after the Nov. election that showed Arpaio does not have much support among them, even though they may have voted for him in Nov. because it was easy, but they're not likely to turn out in a recall election.

      That's what happened to Pearce when his record was on display in a recall. He couldn't benefit from the usual GOP down-ticket voters and he lost handily. The same people are behind the Arpaio recall.

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      by Mother Mags on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:43:02 AM PST

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      •  Your answer was quite helpful. Thanks (1+ / 0-)
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        It makes a lot of sense.

        The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - FDR. Obama Nation. -6.13 -6.15

        by ecostar on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 03:39:41 PM PST

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      •  Also, we swallowed our pride and let a Republican (1+ / 0-)
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        be the face of the candidate - the California recall of Gov. Davis showed that it's not enough to be against someone - you need to be for your target's replacement as well.  In doing so, we replaced a David Duke Republican with a mainline, Jon Huntsman or Ray LaHood Republican.  A victory, certainly, as it broke the radicals' hold on the legislative leadership, put a huge hole in the Senate's governing structure and got rid of a positively wretched state senator, but a measured one nonetheless - the district Pearce held is solidly Mormon and conservative and it would have been delusional to put a Democratic candidate up against Pearce - too many voters would automatically vote for the "R."

        Since an election to replace Arpaio would be county-wide, it seems a little harder to predict what would happen, as City of Phoenix itself is trending purply-blue-ish but the suburbs are redder than tomatoes.  A fair number of Republicans supported Pearce's ouster because he was too outrageous even for the GOP.  Would that happen with Arpaio?  I'm not sure, really.  Are advocates organized enough to have picked a face to represent the "Not-Arpaio" alternative?  And with Arpaio's acolytes infesting (and infecting) law enforcement in the Phoenix area like herpes in a brothel, who could be put up as a candidate who didn't have to at least pay their proverbial dues to the political establishment?  Perhaps someone from municipal law enforcement, but that would be a HUGE risk for them, to give up their present position on a gamble.

        I'm all for trying it, but it's got to be done right.  And I'm a little nervous about the six-month language - I have no special knowledge of the decision making but it's not clear to me why they didn't simply wait six months and one day to prevent the court challenge entirely.  Maybe there's a reason for that, but I don't know it.

        "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

        by auron renouille on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 08:36:23 PM PST

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    •  As long as he gets reelected, we keep fighting him (1+ / 0-)
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      Simple, we do not give up. This last election he barely hung on, and since then yet more damning information has come to light. For a long time there was hope that the federal investigation in Arpaio would result in his arrest, but no. After years of "investigation" they did nothing. So those of us who care about our state and about holding officials accountable do not quit until he is out of office, for as long as it takes. Period. This recall has a good chance of succeeding.

    •  Recall elections as democracy (4+ / 0-)
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      Arpaio was elected in a democratic election. He could be recalled in a democratic election. Both means of selecting or discharging elected officials are equally valid expressions of the democratic will. There's no problem on that point.

      The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

      by Korkenzieher on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 01:05:17 PM PST

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      •  Scott Walker disagrees (1+ / 0-)
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        Recall elections are a subversion of the democratic process.

        Unless they result in him becoming Milwaukee County Executive, that is.  In that case they're a great expression of the Will of the People.

        Seriously though, most of his recall re-elect campaign was not on his record, it was sending out this message of "recall = inappropriate" all the time that petitions were out there and through the time that the signatures were being counted and through all the time that he could legally draw things out and through the actual campaign itself.

        I don't know if Arpaio has enough monied interests behind him to put out that kind of message for that long, but watch out for it.

        Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

        by GeoffT on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 01:14:05 PM PST

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        •  He was wrong, but won anyway (0+ / 0-)

          I'm convinced that if that had been an ordinary November election, Walker would have lost. There were a percentage of people who disliked using the recall, and even if that percentage were only 5%, that was enough to tip the recall election to Walker.

          We get another chance at him in 18 months. I can't wait.

          The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

          by Korkenzieher on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 02:37:26 PM PST

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