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  •  Universities do NOT "endorse"... (2+ / 0-)
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    SilentBrook, elwior

    I've gone through this a half-dozen times.

    Your argument would suggest that the Post Office supports hate groups because someone bought The Turner Diaries by mail.

    These radio stations are usually three levels-of-contracts removed from the university when they sign on to broadcast athletic games.  Expecting that the university can a priori require that no station carrying their games ever sign a contract to broadcast a right-wing talk show is ludicrous.

    •  stations put uni team logos on their megaphones (4+ / 0-)
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      elwior, Eyesbright, BusyinCA, Jim Domenico

      your analogy is ludicrous.

      the university is being paid by the station or its owner for the right to be able to put the team logo on the soapbox/megaphone.

      listening to the univ of co bball game recently i heard 3 time: "850 KOA, home of the buffs and rush limbaugh".

      i've heard promos for uni games during rush's shows.

      the universities are selling their community credibility and standing and reputation to those stations so the GOP can better sell their hate and bigotry and lies-  it's simple.

      maybe the universities don't like that and never thought of it that way and could have them reduce the blatant connections but the relationship is clear.

      together, our universities may be the single most significant supporter of RW radio.

      This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

      by certainot on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:16:52 AM PST

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      •  and that's another result of the failure to recogn (2+ / 0-)
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        nize the significant importance of RW radio, and that it's not just a market-based for-profit business selling penile enhancement formula

        if the left had been reacting to it instead of ignoring it teh last 25 years most of those universities would have extricated themselves from it long ago

        This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

        by certainot on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:29:07 AM PST

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      •  The fact of the matter is this. (0+ / 0-)

        (cut-and-pasted from another diary in which I responded to you.)

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        In almost all cases of collegiate athletic networks, there is NO CONTRACT BETWEEN THE UNIVERSITY AND INDIVIDUAL STATIONS.  In the majority of cases, there isn't even a contract between the university (as a legal entity) and the network's management!

        Here's how it works:

        1) Most universities have a separate legal entity, usually named something like "University of Foobieblex Athletics Association", that actually owns/operates the athletic programs.  (This, incidentially, is how they get around their state's salary limitations for state government employees.  The basketball coach can be paid more than is the university president because the coach "isn't really" employed by the university, but rather by the athletics association.)

        2) The athletics association--NOT the university--then signs a contract with a sports marketing company, like IMG College, to operate the school's broadcast network.

        3) The sports marketing company--NOT the university, and NOT the athletics association--signs contracts with individual stations that wish to participate in the broadcast network.

        4) Those individual radio stations may sign OTHER contracts for other programming, such as (possibly) Rush Limbaugh.

        So, you're basically arguing that the university should, somehow, be able to negotiate (or exercise veto power over, or simply  terminate) contracts to which it is not a party, and which are, in fact, three steps removed from the university itself.

        As I said, it's a bogus suggestion, and the notion that universities are "sponsoring Limbaugh" if a radio station chooses to air both their athletic events and Limbaugh's show is utterly ludicrous.
        ---snip---

        Your typical example of "university sponsorship" seems to be that the RADIO STATION, in its OWN SELF-PROMOTIONS (NOT an advertisement purchased by the university), mentions that they broadcast both Old State U and Rush Limbaugh.  Again, that is a factor completely outside the control of the university.

        •  PS: In cases where the university DOES buy ads... (0+ / 0-)

          ...then, by all means, go after them.

          Conflating "everything that could possibly air on the same station as Rush" with "sponsoring Rush" is ludicrous on its face.

        •  thanks for the rundown but i can't believe the uni (1+ / 0-)
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          elwior

          itself is not able to make an adjustment.

          basically you tell them they don't get your business anymore if they put it on those radio stations

          that's irrespective of the present contract- tell them you're not going to renew and will look for alternatives

          This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

          by certainot on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 12:05:41 PM PST

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          •  So, your expectation is that... (0+ / 0-)

            a) the university tells
            b) the athletics association to tell
            c) the sports marketing company to tell
            d) individual radio stations that they can't buy both State U AND Rush.

            That is a complete non-starter.  You can't even make a non-compete clause work in that context; there have been cases in which collegiate radio networks tried to enforce exclusivity clauses (as in "if you sign to broadcast State U games, you can't sign with any other university sports networks"), and those failed miserably.  (I know of one radio station which is a member of three university sports networks.  To the best of my knowledge, the radio station decides which to broadcast if/when conflicts occur.)

            Seriously, you're way off base on this one.  Even if you were to convince a university to attempt such a thing, it wouldn't survive the inevitable legal challenge.  Competition law would strike it down in a heartbeat.

            •  no. A tells B they can't do business with C (1+ / 0-)
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              elwior

              or something to that effect.

              easy. might take a little time but start the process.

              This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

              by certainot on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 01:10:28 PM PST

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              •  You don't seem to get it. (0+ / 0-)

                As soon as you put that in a contract--and it would have to be an explicit clause in the contract--you're inviting a lawsuit which you WILL lose.

                Compare your idea to that of a contact stating, "If you buy my pretzels, you can't buy his hairspray;" that's precisely what you suggest would be "easy."

                Seriously - find an attorney, describe exactly what you suppose is so "easy" about it, and ask whether such a contract would be enforceable.

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