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  •  Hey Isn't the UK, Australia et al system of (3+ / 0-)

    government based on rights, no no, privileges of subjects?

    We are not the subjects here, really.

    Maybe you missed the memo???  That 6000 word document called the Constitution???

    None of those countries have that unalienable right enumerated in any legal social compacts they may have agreed to.

    We, on the other hand, do.

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:53:21 AM PST

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    •  As usual you are misinformed (4+ / 0-)
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      Brits are no longer subjects, but citizens - check any UK passport.

      As for your Bill of rights, it was based on an earlier version of the UK Bill of rights.

      And basically, every country has a form of constitution, some based on a specific document, others based on laws and precedent etc.

      As for your constitutional right to bear arms, even Scalia says it is not unlimited.

      •  I could care less what their "passport" says. (0+ / 0-)

        Show me the legal social compact they have that states this.

        Today they may have a government issued document that claims they are "citizens".  Tomorrow the same government can change their mind and label them subjects again.  Besides being a citizen doesn't mean they are not subjects to their potentate as well.

        Where's the Brit's "constitution" again?

        Our BoR's is not the same as your Englishman's Bill of Rights, similar wording but that's it.

        Your "rights" are recognized as concessions your King gave to his subjects. An agreement your people made with your divine potentate. Your superior has divine authority to exist and can do so without you.

        Our government exists at our will and command.  We outlined basic things it could not ever abrogate in its roll as our servant.  Our government has no right to exist nor any authority unless we say so.

        Huge difference.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 08:56:49 PM PST

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        •  You fail to understand "constitutional monarchy" (1+ / 0-)
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          Constitutional monarchy (or limited monarchy)[citation needed] is a form of government in which a monarch acts as head of state within the guidelines of a constitution, whether it be a written, uncodified, or blended constitution. This form of government differs from absolute monarchy in which an absolute monarch serves as the source of power in the state and is not legally bound by any constitution and has the powers to regulate his or her respective government.
           Source wikipedia

          In addition to the UK, Belgium, Spain, Holland,  Denmark, Sweden and many other countries are constitutional monarchies.

          As with your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, it appears that your learning ability is frozen in the late 1700's

          PS King |George is dead.

          PPS as for our rights, under English law, everything is allowed unless it is expressly forbidden by law, passed by parliament.

          •  PS Queen Elizabeth is still alive. (0+ / 0-)

            ROFL, you're just mad because you exist at the pleasure of your potentate.

            Why would we Americans want to be more like you guys again?  "Constitutional Monarchy" my ass, you're still subjects.

            PPSS- our rights do not come from the law, the law is enacted to ensure those spoken and unwritten.

            Your law can change and with it take your rights away.  Our government is trying that shit with us today.  They won't get away with it for too long.  We'll vote the neocons out and restore the balance.

            As for this:

            As with your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, it appears that your learning ability is frozen in the late 1700's
            You're just jealous that it has been decided we always had the unalienable right to keep and bear arms.  It also appears that you're mad that we still understand these concepts that you cannot and it's a bit flattering, thanks.

            Good night.

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 03:20:25 AM PST

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            •  Jeebus, gerrilea, were you in a coma during the (0+ / 0-)

              Bush presidencies? We have warrantless wiretaps, drones killing Americans, banks stealling money hand over fist, are still in Afghanistan and you think WE control the government?

              You should start paying attention.

              *There are two sides to every horseshit.* Kos

              by glorificus on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 08:43:43 PM PST

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              •  What does that have to do with the 2nd A again? (0+ / 0-)

                Or the point I made?

                Do you think we can't vote the neocons out of office?

                40% of Americans, as of 2011, identify as Independent.

                Unless they can continue to keep us divided over stupid shit.

                -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                by gerrilea on Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 01:39:30 AM PST

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        •  For your education, please read the link. (0+ / 0-)

          UCL is University College London - which would be the equivalent of Ivy League in the US.

          UK Constitution

          •  Wow, did you even read your link? (0+ / 0-)
            What Britain has instead is an accumulation of various statutes, conventions, judicial decisions and treaties which collectively can be referred to as the British Constitution. It is thus more accurate to refer to Britain’s constitution as an ‘uncodified’ constitution, rather than an ‘unwritten’ one.

            It has been suggested that the British Constitution can be summed up in eight words: What the Queen in Parliament enacts is law. This means that Parliament, using the power of the Crown, enacts law which no other body can challenge.

            We can challenge our lawmakers, in court.  When we win, the law they may have passed is null and void.

            This doesn't seem to be the case for you guys.  Your legislature dictates to you what will be done.

            Again, huge difference.

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 03:06:43 AM PST

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