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  •  no compromises (16+ / 0-)
    I know it's a lot to ask for, but if Democrats can resist the urge to fuck things up, 2014 could start shaping up quite nicely.
    and no capitulations. the more democrats distance themselves from republicans, the better.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:50:15 AM PST

    •  Hell... (6+ / 0-)

      ...if the Democrats would just stand still and let the Resmugs keep moving rightward...the better!

      "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~ Steven Biko

      by Marjmar on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 11:24:34 AM PST

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    •  HUGE ifs. (3+ / 0-)
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      Galactic IFs.

      IF dogs could manage to NOT drink from a toilet OR jump on the couch....

      IF water would only not be wet...

      IF fire didn't have to burn everything......

      If public policies were built on scientific research rather than emotionalized horseshit that enriches the already rich............

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 11:25:21 AM PST

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    •  So no one like Bill Clinton? (2+ / 0-)
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      It would be a huge mistake to nominate a third-way style candidate in '16 who mimics Republican talking points instead of pulling the public left.

      The Congressional Democrats who did that in Obama's first two years hurt the entire party. All Democrats suffered in 2010 because conservatives in the party blocked too much of Obama's agenda.

      •  other than on social issues (2+ / 0-)
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        obama's agenda has not been liberal. he is like bill clinton.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 11:45:54 AM PST

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        •  Been asleep? (1+ / 0-)
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          Clinton deregulated lending, which helped lead to the housing collapse. Obama passed the biggest regulation of lending and Wall Street since the new deal. He passed the consumer protection financial bureau that Nader spent year advocating for. And the person he got to start it, Elizabeth Warren, seems pretty popular in the netroots.
          Obama has done 10X more on climate change and clean energy than Clinton. Passing major health care reform is one of the biggest liberal accomplishments in a generation. The list goes on. The differences are ginormous.

          All the failings you can list don't somehow make Obama's accomplishments disappear or becoming meaningless. Don't let cynicism blind you to what's really going on.

          •  clinton also raised taxes on the wealthy (2+ / 0-)
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            and passed an assault weapons ban. obama has been trying for a grand bargain that would cut social security. been sleeping?

            on climate, clinton signed kyoto, which was a huge step, just on framing. obama has done almost nothing on the international front, and has been much criticized for it.
            and even though there is now much more science, he also has done little domestically, he has expanded oil drilling, and he can't even make up his mind on keystone.

            anyone who thinks there are substantial differences between obama and the clintons fails the credibility test.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 12:20:19 PM PST

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            •  Half the story. (1+ / 0-)
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              Obama also finally raised taxes on the wealthy, after having to fight Congress repeatedly. Republicans have been pushing SS cuts, not Obama.

              Clinton never even pushed for Kyoto in the Senate. It's not worth mentioning as a supposed accomplishment. Claiming Obama did nothing internationally is spin. They've participated in international talks and are now in bilateral talks with China since the UN conferences failed. Obama isn't giving up, as Clinton clearly did after Kyoto.

              And done little domestically? He made the biggest investment in clean energy and efficiency in American history by leaps and bounds. Were you asleep for the green stimulus bill? It was Obama who made it focus on clean energy and green jobs.
              And he already did more to reduce oil use than Carter and Clinton combined, by far with fuel economy standards and high speed rail investments. I'm supposed to ignore all that because of a few oil leases? Come on. Think big picture.

              Anyone who compares Obama to Clinton on energy is blind.

              •  actually (0+ / 0-)

                for its time, just signing kyoto was huge. it had no chance of being ratified, but just signing it was a huge step in acknowledging the reality. obama has been tepid, at best, in international conferences, although we're all hoping there's real substance behind his comments in the sotu.

                the green stimulus has been a step in the right direction, but it's a drop in the bucket. and it's not just a few oil leases. in case you hadn't noticed, we are in an oil drilling boom, up 60% in just the last year, and the highest number of rigs since the reagan era. and obama has opened up new offshore leases, and has drawn the first plan to drill the entire 23 million acres of the alaska reserve. to his credit, he finally dropped talk of "clean" coal, but among climate scientists and activists he has been a huge disappointment, although- again- there is hope that the sotu signaled a substantive shift.

                and then there's keystone. if he signs on to keystone, every positive effort he has made will have been wasted. it's time for him to declare it dead.

                The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                by Laurence Lewis on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 01:19:30 PM PST

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                •  Wow. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I find it odd that you stretch to make excuses for Clinton while downplaying everything Obama has accomplished. I guess Bill does give a purty speech and that impresses some people.
                  Anyone who finds Clinton's record on energy in any way excusable fails the credibility test.

                  More than doubling the amount of clean energy in the US in one term is not a drop in the bucket. Refusing to acknowledge that as a significant accomplishment is dishonest spin. The same for efficiency investments.

                  Am I supposed to get worked up about whether our oil comes from the US instead of being shipped in from the Middle East? The real problem is that we use too much oil, and Obama is dealing with that by reducing consumption. It's odd that you dismiss the far more important action happening on the core issue of oil consumption.

                  EPA moving forward on half a dozen regulations on coal will be the next most important act. The coal industry thinks the regulations already moving forward will shut down 1/3 of coal plants and that doesn't include new regulation of CO2 from existing sources. Once again, major action has been and will continue to happen that's far more than a drop in the bucket and far more than anything Clinton talked of doing.
                  I didn't like his clean coal talk either, but if we're being honest, his funding for those projects was a drop in the bucket compared to real clean energy funding.

                  Yes, I realize there's heavy disappointment among the crowd who ignore or downplay every accomplishment, and magnify every negative, whatever the motivation. The "I told you so" crowd of the perpetually aggrieved hoping to be proven right for their support of Nader or someone else in the primary doesn't represent most of the scientific and activist community. At least not the ones who accomplishing something.

                  •  um (0+ / 0-)

                    try again. they balance out. they're different on the margins.

                    and yeah, you should care about the environmental destruction of alaska and our coastlines. if you care about the environment more than the man.

                    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                    by Laurence Lewis on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 05:27:35 PM PST

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                    •  Not on this planet. (1+ / 0-)
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                      Doing next to nothing v. dramatic changes in energy production, passenger rail, and oil consumption in no way shape or form balances out. Not remotely.

                      You're either grossly uninformed about what's going on or maybe you're too invested in opposing the man regardless of the facts.

    •  Also wondering (2+ / 0-)
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      if the left-shift in independents could be in part due to disaffected Democrats who have switched to independent.

      In other words, independents are moving left. Whether that means that independents as a group are evolving politically, or whether it's addition by subtraction as the teabaggers tune out of politics is impossible to say. Whatever the reason, this is just more bad news for Republicans.

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