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  •  I don't think it is working. (10+ / 0-)

    It can only delay the inevitable.  If it were really working, Romney would be pres.  Yes, they gerrymandered the House, but by mid-decade it may not look as good as folks move and old racist whites die off.  

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    by TomP on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 12:38:07 PM PST

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    •  hence the Electoral College plot (8+ / 0-)

      Republicans want to win.  Period.  They will say and do whatever they have to in order to win.

      Something's wrong when the bad guys are the utopian ones.

      by Visceral on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 01:29:08 PM PST

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    •  Those gerrymandered districts (2+ / 0-)
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      mean they'll be in power in perpetuity despite changes in demographics and a continuing majority of votes for Democratic candidates statewide.  The want to ensure they'll hold the majority the next time they have to redistrict (gerrymander).

      They'll continue to lose statewide and national elections which is why they'll try to extend their gerrymandering there by forcing electoral college votes into their gerrymandering (and no doubt they'll do that with the US Senate, as well).

      For them, it's working.  Look at the "results" they achieved by cheating.  

      Gerrymandering and voter suppression - it's all they've got.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 01:59:22 PM PST

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      •  Well... (4+ / 0-)
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        it certainly is discouraging. But the fact is the great majority of their success in gerrymandering has been since 2010.  And yes, it will take awhile to undo that, and then only if America wakes up.  However, it's not undoable.  The pendulum swings in this country, and it always has.

        The republicans were not able to do what they've done without American's consent, including for instance, Wisconsin's decision to keep Scott Walker as a governor when they had the chance to kick him out.

        Funny how the recall seems eons ago now, so much has happened since. I can only hope that come 2014 Wisconsin and America will begin to repair the damages of 2010.

        On the positive side, the republicans were pretty unsuccessful in their efforts to disenfranchise the vote in 2012.  Folks really fought back, and they still are.  I think Obama took Florida in large part because the more Rick Scott tried to stop them from voting, the longer they were willing to stand in line to do so---sending pictures of shameful lines across the nation.

        Yes, I'm an optimist, but beyond that I'll be damned if I'm going to give the republicans that much power.  They only win when we stop fighting them. They only win when we believe they've got us licked.  

        "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

        by StellaRay on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 08:41:20 PM PST

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        •  Walker "won" the recall (2+ / 0-)
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          because of tens of millions of dollars (over $100 million if you count all the ads he's run since the protests), a compliant corporate media, and the fact that he didn't run as a "candidate" or even against Barrett - he ran against the concept of recall.  

          The media, forever whitewashing his record and ignoring his failings, never mentioned how awesome he thought recalls were when he politically benefitted from them.

          i learned a lot in the over a month I didn't have a working computer or access to the internet.  One of the most important things I learned is how little factual information I could get from traditional sources.  As a result, I no longer think people are stupid.  I know they're simply and effectively propagadized.

          There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

          by Puddytat on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 10:07:53 PM PST

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          •  I can't argue (2+ / 0-)
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            with much you say here Puddy, and you know I'm very aware of what went on regarding the recall. There's no doubt that the Democrats were outspent in this regard, and that Walker had months ahead of them to advertise against a recall, and all kinds of other unfair stuff.

            Still, the fact remains that Walker's obvious and boldly anti middle class agenda should have trumped those things---but they didn't due to many factors, not the least of which is the fact that too many Wisconsinites swallowed his bile whole, or, thought the issue of recall or not was more important than what Walker was pulling, and still is.  Love his new budget proposals btw, same old shit.  This is NOT a chastened man.

            Wisconsin and America will have to decide what kind of state/country they want to live in.  You and I don't disagree on the most of it, but we may part ways a bit in that I'm less willing than you to make excuses for voters.

            Sorry, but I'm still SO pissed off that enough Wisconsinites decided the issue was to recall or not---although totally legal and allowed by the state constitution FOR A REASON---was more important than the travesties that Scott Walker visited upon Wisconsin, and which he still is.

            "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

            by StellaRay on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 10:41:51 PM PST

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