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  •  Lifestyle Liberal + Money + Success = Neoliberal (5+ / 0-)

    Seriously, is there a meaningful difference between economic libertarianism and neoliberalism, except that the latter tends to have more sophisticated formulas and have adherents who are saner and not as racist?

    Put another way:

    Neoliberalism + Racism + Crazy = Economic Libertarianism (i.e. Randianism)

    Because both are ultimately harmful to everyone but the most well-off and best-situated and utter failures as economic models. It's really just a matter of degree as to how crazy and sociopathic their adherents are.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 09:15:42 AM PST

    •  Too true. And I'm sick of it. (1+ / 0-)
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      But it's nothing new, I mean, you can just leave out the "neo" part to be perfectly honest.

      •  Liberal is admitedly a troublesome label (1+ / 0-)
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        Because it can and does mean different things depending on the historical and national context. A British liberal today is not a US liberal today, and a 19th century US liberal is different from a 20th & 21st century US liberal. For that matter a mid-20th century US liberal is different from a late 20th/early 21st century liberal. And then there's neoliberalism and libertarianism to further complicate matters. Which is why progressive is much more useful.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 11:16:43 AM PST

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        •  Agreed. I like the term "progressive" (1+ / 0-)
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          Many self proclaimed liberals are actually quite conservative on many issues, and opposed to much in the way of progress. As you point out, money and success is a factor. If the system has rewarded you well, why change it? Thus, we have the phrase "limousine liberal." I've never heard of a "limousine progressive," though.

          •  Progressive is also troublesome (1+ / 0-)
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            For one thing, it comes across, not entirely unjustifiably, to some conservatives as what liberals who are afraid of being called liberal call themselves (however these tend to be limousine/lifestyle liberals).

            Also, progressive by itself tends to be or come across as elitist, since most progressives are fairly well-educated, sophisticated and at least capable of being well-off were technical merit still an accurate marker for income potential. Which is why I believe that by itself, it tends to not very effective, and has to ally itself with populism to get things done--no different from conservatism.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 11:56:06 AM PST

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