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  •  Well, his record on VA benefits essentially (19+ / 0-)

    does do that. My father, a proud vet, used to like McCain, until I shared with him the senator's record on VA benefits. Vets think they have a brother in McCain, because he is one of them. Couldn't be further from the truth.

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 09:17:19 AM PST

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    •  He talked about VA record at a townhall in 08 (3+ / 0-)
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      to a veteran at that.
      I watched it because I heard he was so good at them, the "real" McCain. I watched Obama'a and Hillary Clinton's so it seemed worth seeing McCain once. (Gotta love cnn live site during campaigns)
      I couldn't watch the whole thing because he was horrible to that vet. He was polite at first but then dismissive and dishonest when politely challenged by facts. Going to try to find one of the few articles that mentioned the incident.

      But first I think the coverage of it was one of the most shocking parts of all. I know town halls get covered during presidential elections, they have a press pool. They had cameras there. How was this not news?  Can you imagine the coverage if it had been Obama lying about his record votes to a vet?
      I had actually looked up their grades earlier so I knew he was lying. Is that what a great town hall people do, lie when the answer is bad and soak in the applause? I didn't bother to watch the rest.

      Crooks and Liars has the clip and transcript

      When the questioner reiterates that his question went to healthcare--not educational--benefits, McSame reiterate that all the veterans' groups love him and blew him off. Temper, temper.
         McCain: (snip) But the reason why I have a perfect voting record from organizations like the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion and all the other veterans' service organization is because of my support of them, but if you can go ahead and respond if you want to. Go ahead. Give him the microphone back.

          Q: I'll respond by saying this: that you do not have a perfect voting record by the DAV and the VFW. That's where these votes are recorded. And the votes were proposals...they were proposals by your colleagues in the Senate to increase healthcare funding of the VA in 2003, 4, 5 and 6, for troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, and you voted against those proposals. I can give the specific Senate votes, the numbers of those Senate votes, right now.

          McCain: Well, I thank you and I'll be glad to examine what your version of my record is. But, again, I've been endorsed in every election by all of the veterans' organizations that do that. I've been supported by them and I've received their highest awards from all of those organizations, so I guess they don't know something you know. So I thank you very much and I will continue to be proud of my support for the veterans of this country and proud of their support.

      Politifact the fact check
      To be sure, the VFW and the Legion have given McCain awards in the past and can be fairly described as McCain supporters. The VFW's political action committee has endorsed him for re-election to his Senate seat and to his House seat before that, but neither group keeps a voting scorecard.

      At the same time, another veterans service organization cited by the McCain critic at the town hall meeting — the Disabled American Veterans — gave McCain only a 20 percent grade in its 2007 voting scorecard. McCain voted for only one of the amendments that the group tallied as key votes, while voting against the other four.

      Likewise, the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, a relatively new group that was instrumental in pushing for the expanded GI Bill, says McCain only voted veterans' way on 58 percent of the 155 Senate votes it tallied between 2001 and 2006. Even the Vietnam Veterans of America reports that McCain has voted against 15 of 31 priority bills it tracked between 2001 and 2008.

      As a result, we find McCain's claim to be False.

      TP compares Obama and McCain grades

      Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America
      McCain a grade of D
      Obama got a B+.

       Disabled Veterans of America
      McCain’s  20 percent voting record on veterans’ issues. Obama  80 percent

      “Key Votes,” Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA)
      McCain “Voted Against Us” 15 times and “Voted For Us” 8.
      Obama voted for VVA 12 times, and against only once.

      Why veterans are assumed and probably do vote republican so often must be that they do not stay informed combined with the old white man syndrome. Glad you showed your dad the sad news here. And it is sad, he has the rep of being such a friend and respecter of veterans. He should be. He isn't.

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