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  •  Do you really think (6+ / 0-)

    it's a good idea to make criminals out of millions of people who have never harmed anyone? These weapons are used in less than 1% of murders. This is like trying to address highway deaths by outlawing Corvettes.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 03:07:17 PM PST

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    •  BS (30+ / 0-)

      No one should own an assault weapon. They have no purose whatsoever except to kill people. It is disgusting that we allowed these to become legal.  And we shouldconfiscate everyone of the damn things.

      Whether teh people qwho currently own them have killed anyone or not is irrelevant. They should not be allowed in a civilized society.

      •  Just what is an 'assault weapon'? (1+ / 0-)
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        happy camper

        Mr Sugarmann coined the term and it seems to just grow wider and wider every day.

        If less than 2% of crimes are committed with something, does it make sense to waste time, money and political capital to make them illegal?

        Also, are you aware that Ex Post Facto does fall into this?  If I have something that I legally bought and someone then makes ownership or sale of that item illegal, I can not be charged with a crime or have my property taken from me.

        Also, in a civilized society, would a leader who has personally approved the murder of children be allowed to keep his job and freedom?  I'd argue that we do not live in a civilized society but instead have civil people that do the best they can with what is here.  Peel the veneer back a bit and we are not far off from Homo Sapien Neandertales.

        Bowers v. DeVito "...there is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered."
        Director of Merchandising - the Liberal Gun Club
        Interim Chairman - Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus of Missouri

        by ErikO on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:49:23 PM PST

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      •  Assault weapons do have a use (0+ / 0-)

        hog hunting is done at night , night  vision devices can be mounted on the weapon. If there are many hogs you need more bullets to take out as many as possible.
         Hogs are very destructive and need to be controlled.

        " Resistance is NOT futile, it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling." Wino

        by Wino on Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 08:07:26 AM PST

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    •  Only less than 1% of murders! (18+ / 0-)

      For 2011, the most recent year I was able to find a stat, that works out to 150 homicides.

      No one would be talking about "outlawing Corvettes", if we could get this country to treat firearms the same way we treat Corvettes. You know, test, license, insurance, registration, inspections, renewals...

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 03:49:03 PM PST

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      •  Also, the AR-15 has been sold to civilians since (0+ / 0-)

        the 1960's.

        It's not a 'new' platform.  

        There are exactly 25 'select fire' AR-15s that were ever made.  They were made by Armalite Rifle as both Proofs of Concept and demonstration models for the design and name that were later sold to Colt and became the M-16.  Colt then sold their semi-auto versions as 'ar-15's since they owned the name.

        The lower receiver of the AR-15 would require a LOT of careful machining as well as a specific part called an 'auto sear' in order to be made fully automatic.  This is illegal to do and has been so since 1986's FOPA which ended the availability of select fire firearms manufactured after that date.  They can still be made legally if you possess the correct Federal Firearms License and a few other licenses from the ATF but anything made after that can NOT be sold to private persons that do not have the same licenses.  Only the military or law enforcement can buy anything made to fire more than one bullet per trigger pull that was produced after 1986.

        Bowers v. DeVito "...there is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered."
        Director of Merchandising - the Liberal Gun Club
        Interim Chairman - Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus of Missouri

        by ErikO on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:54:48 PM PST

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    •  Yes, I think it is a great idea. (7+ / 0-)

      What part of:


      are you having trouble with?

      You aren't holding the Govt off with them - the Govt has more of them.

      You aren't holding off a home invader with them.  

      By the time you get the weapon out of the gun case, loaded and in a firing position, you are fucked.  

      If you are concerned about a home invasion, I recommend a 9mm.  I like the Army's 9mm.  Recoil is practically non-existent, so it is easy to make the snowman and keep it on target.

      And it will put someone down in a hurry.

      •  Shotgun (1+ / 0-)
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        pistols shot 1 bullet at a time and you have to be good.

        Still, today, many people think bullets magically hit targets.

        Too much TV and movies.

        Shotgun will clear the room. Smaller gauges won't blow out your eardrums or windows and repairing the walls can be easier.

        Since we are all about pragmatic compromises here, the Taurus Judge is available as a 5 shot .410 gauge that also chambers a 45-70. Can have both shot shells and a nightcap.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 04:23:44 AM PST

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    •  You are turning it upside down (14+ / 0-)

      They only become criminals if they persist in owning contraband weapons. No slaughter weapon, no crime. Caught with slaughter weapon after grace period, criminal.
      Eliminating 1% is eliminating over 100 murders/year.
      100+murders acceptable to you?
      And your analogy misses the fact that Corvettes and all high-powered sports cars are limited by DOT to a certain power to weight ratio specifically because they were getting too powerful in the 70s and killing people. Same idea as limiting the magazine size and kill rate.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:00:08 PM PST

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    •  No, but it is a good idea to sanction drunken (1+ / 0-)
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      or impaired gun play, especially if it occurs in the presence of a minor child.

      Some people can learn from their early mistakes with a fire arm, e.g. accidentally discharging a firearm with on serious injuries.

      All these guys who accidentally shoot themselves in the leg should face at least a temporary loss of RKBA and have to pay for training, and prove that they have learned some safety rules, and prove that they know how to clear a weapon that has jammed. And ONLY then should they have RKBA restored for any weapon.

    •  Corvettes, highway deaths - your choice (0+ / 0-)

      In Germany, stopping by the side of the highway to pee is legal, because that is viewed as unpredictable, but stopping by the side of the highway because you ran out of gas is not legal.

      Gas use is considered a knowable factor that the driver is responsible to manage without incurring ANY risk to others.

      Highway accidents are rare in Germany so what gives?

      The high speed on the highway makes distance visibility harder, and therefore crashes can involve many, many cars.

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