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  •  Some of the questions are problematic: (2+ / 0-)
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    Canis Aureus, happy camper

    For instance:  Requiring by law that a person lock up the guns in their home when not in use to prevent handling by children or teenagers without adult supervision?'  Does this mean a $800 safe or a $3 cable lock?  

    Another example:  Allowing the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to temporarily take away a gun dealer’s license if an audit reveals record-keeping violations and the dealer cannot account for 20 or more of his guns?  Good idea but would it make more sense to make it a percentage of the guns transferred onto the FFL's books (some internet dealers move thousands a month).  

    A third example: Prohibiting a person on the terror watch-list from having a gun?  We know that Ted Kennedy made it onto that list.  We also know that that list is a due-process issue.

    Under capitalism man exploits man, under communism the roles are reversed.

    by DavidMS on Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 04:51:10 PM PST

    •  is that a problem of granularity of the survey... (2+ / 0-)
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      tytalus, DefendOurConstitution

      ...questions? certainly seem to be questions that would be addressed in writing the legislation & resultant policies.

      Tho' bogging down a survey of the general population with "how many lost guns is too many lost guns before a dealer loses his license?" may not be the most effective way to address the potential answers.

      As an example, it seems the most frequent answer to such a question in a general population survey might well be "one lost gun is too many, so any lost gun loses the license".

      While responses to surveys may influence and should influence policy-making processes, there's more to it.

      I don't see it as a problem with the questions. It's more that any single survey will not answer all questions on a set of issues.

      Cheers.

    •  Yeah, I always thought it was funny how (1+ / 0-)
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      happy camper

      the error-prone and mistake-riddled Terrorist Watch List is an affront to civil liberties... until someone found out it can be used to ban guns. Then it is the gold standard.

      Under the right circumstances, any ethic can become elastic.

      •  Get back to us (2+ / 0-)
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        luckydog, DefendOurConstitution

        when someone here actually calls it the 'gold standard' or some equivalent.

        It's a policy idea and not a flawless one. Nevertheless, it's one of the most popular of the policies tested by Johns Hopkins, with the 76% approval of NRA members as the low point. So what's the solution you propose? Fix the watch list or do nothing? Something else?

        “Now, I can imagine the shocking headlines you’ll print tomorrow morning: 'More guns,' you’ll claim, 'are the NRA’s answer to everything!'" -- Wayne LaPierre

        by tytalus on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 08:59:07 AM PST

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        •  Fixing the watch list would be a good start. (1+ / 0-)
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          noway2

          Getting it out of the hands of the incompetent TSA would help too-- they don't create the TWL but they are the ones on the pointy end of administering it's policies, and they show a remarkable lack of judgment.

          No one here has used the term "gold standard" (except me, now as a tongue-in-cheek) but I have seen here many diaries and comments of breathless exhortation (yes, even pearl clutching) about how "people on the Terrorist Watch List are able to buy guns!" while conveniently forgetting that the Terrorist Watch List is typically regarded as a bunch of Bush-era Big Brother hooey reminiscent of McCarthy's infamous "lists". But when it comes to guns, suddenly all that trepidation seems to vanish, and it is a sadly under-used tool all of a sudden.  

          Bear in mind I am a gun owner who favors the idea of some gun controls, things that would make Wayne LaPierre soil himself I'm sure, but those gun controls have to be smart, useful, and serious. Ethical gerrymandering over something as questionable as the TWL without addressing its inherent flaws is irresponsible.

    •  Here's a problematic question: where are your (1+ / 0-)
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      solutions to the tremendous gun violence problem we have where one American gets shot every 5 minutes?

      Crickets (unless we count the times when you say stuff like "too many regulations on the books already! enforce those!" or ""nothing will work so we must not do anything!" or "slippery slope, you are trying to confiscate my guns!" as solutions).

      I know that the first point of contention is that you refuse to even admit that over 100k people get shot every year (hence the one every 5 minutes), or that something like this is even a problem.

      Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

      by DefendOurConstitution on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 06:42:15 AM PST

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