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  •  Jeez People answer the door before you shoot (26+ / 0-)

    A 21-year-old autistic man and his caretaker were shot by an off-duty police officer who thought they were trying to break into his home.


      •  Pistorius is going down...physics (4+ / 0-)

        prevents his version of events.

        David Koch is Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

        by PsychoSavannah on Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 03:04:04 PM PST

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        •  My gut says so; what's the physics? (2+ / 0-)

          I haven't followed it closely enough to separate fact from rumors.

          •  From the layout of the (2+ / 0-)
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            bathroom they showed on the "news", there is a "hallway" into the have to get to the end of it and turn right where it opens up into a square room.  If he shot thru the door, the bullets would not have been found around the corner in the middle of the square part of the room.

            David Koch is Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

            by PsychoSavannah on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 06:13:02 AM PST

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            •  Ah, that's not enough for me. (0+ / 0-)

              I've seen about four different alleged "layouts" of his bathroom, e.g. some with the toilet on the left of the door (exposing her right side), some with it straight ahead/right (exposing her left side), some with wash-basins inside the toilet area, some outside, etc.
              This one seems most authentic:

              Other contradicting accounts:
              * I've read that the gun holster was on her side of the bed, then that he was sleeping on that side because of a sore shoulder, then that the holster was found on his side of the bed.
              * Some early reports said the cricket-bat only had blood from the bathroom; others said that the cricket bat was used to beat her after all -- but the police deny being the source of this.
              * I've read that the police say he fired the first shot in his bedroom; but many reports say the defense found a fourth bullet sitting in the toilet.
              * Botha said he 'thought' the shots were angled down, indicating Pistorius had on his prosthetics, but it seemed uncertain.
              * Etc. Way too much gossip, rumor, contradicting stories, and uncertainty to draw any firm conclusions.

              But I'll admit, from even the arguments he and his lawyer made, in my opinion he's at the very least guilty of murder, even if he thought it was an intruder: the person posed no imminent threat to him, and he obviously didn't even wait to hear them speak (not even: "I'm warning you! Identify yourself, or I'll shoot you!"), before he fired four shots and killed her. That's murder, in my mind (whatever South African law says). (What if it were a teenage kid, sneaking in on a dare; or some idiot sneaking in to steal his prosthetic limbs as a 'joke'; or a drunk neighbor who drove into the wrong driveway and staggered blindly into the house; or even a petty unarmed burglar trying to steal things -- in my book that's still not an excuse to murder a man. Especially if he's locked himself in your bathroom and you've got a gun to hold him there!)

              My instinct says it could well be domestic violence, that he flew into a rage and deliberately shot into the bathroom at her. But I'm not at all certain about that. 60-40 yes? There's a lot of circumstantial evidence -- it was light enough for him to retrieve a fan from the balcony, but not enough to see she wasn't in bed? He didn't whisper to her: "What's that? Did you hear something?" (Or, he thought she was downstairs doing yoga at 3am, while a burglar broke into the bathroom? He didn't shout out to her, "Reeva, where are you, are you OK?") Etc. Obviously, if he crushed her skull with the cricket bat, he's guilty. It's not clear what evidence would so quickly dispel the charges, in my mind. I haven't read enough to have a firm opinion.

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